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My week-end project......carpentry 101
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Posted by: Mr. P

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Posted by: DeckSetter

Not bad, not bad!!

I know what ya mean about wrestling big boards into place... the last house I framed had 2x12 rafters. My job was to cut the 18ft long 2x12's and hand them up through the garage into the top floor of the house. It was tough because

1) those dang things are heavy

2) the garage ceiling is about 13ft high

3) I had to hold an 18ft long 2x12 steady at about a 45 degree angle because

4) the garage trusses were already on and I had to go between them

that crap's rough!

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Originally Posted by Mr. P


	Add Mexican labor, it would cost you $60 to put one in place.

nice work!

Posted by: LS1JAY

Better keep an eye on that 10" kitchen vent! It looks like a leak waiting to happen. Also... who did that valley?

Posted by: Mr. P

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Originally Posted by LS1JAY


	Better keep an eye on that 10" kitchen vent! It looks like a leak waiting to happen. Also... who did that valley?

That "kitchen vent" vents the attic space and hasn't leaked in ten years, so it's apparently flashed in properly. As for the valley, all the rest of the valleys on the house are copper, however this one being an addition, had to be installed after a saw cut into the existing shingles, and a very methodical lifting, inserting, cutting, etc. flash job into the existing shingles. I dare say I put more nails and time into this than a commercial sub would. Some of those shingles have 4 nails in them. I got so I could punch em in on the second hit. Put down heavy roofing felt first, and the structure and plywood never got wet. (Fir plywood by the way, for the roof, just a couple bucks extra for warp protection.)

Mr. P

Posted by: Mr. P

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Originally Posted by DeckSetter


	Not bad, not bad!! I know what ya mean about wrestling big boards into place... the last house I framed had 2x12 rafters. My job was to cut the 18ft long 2x12's and hand them up through the garage into the top floor of the house. It was tough because 1) those dang things are heavy 2) the garage ceiling is about 13ft high 3) I had to hold an 18ft long 2x12 steady at about a 45 degree angle because 4) the garage trusses were already on and I had to go between them that crap's rough! nice work!

Coming from you, I guess I passed the grade, eh? Thanks for the comments. Yes, this is TOUGH work. I have a desk job during the week, but I really appreciate doing this every now and then, to be able to say I did it, to stay in shape, and to keep touch with reality. It's tough, allright, and people who do this on a daily basis have a tip of the hat from me, for sure!!!! I'm still working on the beers, just got out of a hot tub, soaking for a while, but I'm still sore. What you don't see, is all the spruce ceiling I loaded in through a side window Saturday morning after the truck dropped all this shit off, har har, hey..........a boy has to have a hobby, right?

I had to get the 1x6 spruce inside quick in case it rained, and then I figured the best way to protect the cedar was to get it up off the ground and onto the house. What you see took me two days working alone. That's a hell of a lot of ladder trips.

Mr. P

Posted by: LS1JAY

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Originally Posted by Mr. P


	That "kitchen vent" vents the attic space and hasn't leaked in ten years, so it's apparently flashed in properly. As for the valley, all the rest of the valleys on the house are copper, however this one being an addition, had to be installed after a saw cut into the existing shingles, and a very methodical lifting, inserting, cutting, etc. flash job into the existing shingles. I dare say I put more nails and time into this than a commercial sub would. Some of those shingles have 4 nails in them. I got so I could punch em in on the second hit. Put down heavy roofing felt first, and the structure and plywood never got wet. (Fir plywood by the way, for the roof, just a couple bucks extra for warp protection.) Mr. P

Unfortunatly, a lot of people use those 10" kitchen vents for attic ventilation. They do so because they are cheaper than a 4" off ridge vent which is what they should have used. It's still not flashed properly, even though it may not leak. I've seen plenty installed that way and some leak while others don't. Consider yourself lucky. Copper valleys are nice if you have the cash to go with them. Most people don't want to spend the money, so I use 26 gauge glavinized metal and a 13" strip of modified bitumen and follow it up with a california style valley. Never had one leak yet! About the nails, I hand nailed for over 16 years and just recently went to Hitachi nail guns. We have 5 of them now and they work great! Well worth the $320 per gun price. I can lay 4-5 square per hour with one and averaged 2-3 square per hour 4 nailing by hand with a customized Vaughn hatchet. I did once lay 5 sq in 1 hr hand nailing with someone stocking me out with shingles. I haven't been beat yet (seen a couple that could hang close), but I know there's bound to be faster roofers out there, I just haven't seen one in the 17 yrs I've been at it.

Looks like you have a 30yr architect shingle? If I lived closer to you, I'd talk you into getting rid of that little 10" aluminum kitchen vent and talk you into a few 4' off ridge vents. You'd be surprised how well they work and I'd only charge you about $500 to install 4 of them!

Posted by: No Rice Allowed

I hired Jay..He sent me five Mexicans and one Colombian to my house and left with my next door neighbors wife, never to be heard from again.....So, now I have tents out back for the stow-aways, a make shift rex center out back if you will...Their wondering around in the backyard, with nail guns raised high, chanting La Cucaracha....I tell ya, good help is hard to fine!

Posted by: LS1JAY

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Originally Posted by No Rice Allowed


	I hired Jay..He sent me five Mexicans and one Colombian to my house and left with my next door neighbors wife, never to be heard from again.....So, now I have tents out back for the stow-aways, a make shift rex center out back if you will...Their wondering around in the backyard, with nail guns raised high, chanting La Cucaracha....I tell ya, good help is hard to fine!

5 Mexicans and 1 Columbian? What a lie...

You know darn well that I sent 6 Mexicans and 1 Guatemalan!

Posted by: Tang

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Originally Posted by LS1JAY


	Better keep an eye on that 10" kitchen vent! It looks like a leak waiting to happen. Also... who did that valley?

My thoughts exactly, that valley looks like a nightmare.

Jay, you just cut the shingles off at the valley and let the flashing do the work ? We dont even use flashing in the valleys and havent had a leak yet. You just got to lace the shingles together properly. I guess it would be quicker to just cut them off straight.

Posted by: Carpet_Liquer

All that money spent....and your still using a ladder from WWII....

Good job!!!

Posted by: No Rice Allowed

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Originally Posted by Tang


	My thoughts exactly, that valley looks like a nightmare. Jay, you just cut the shingles off at the valley and let the flashing do the work ? We dont even use flashing in the valleys and havent had a leak yet. You just got to lace the shingles together properly. I guess it would be quicker to just cut them off straight.

Flashing?? Valleys?? sounds like a bad porn movie...What exactly are you guys refering too?? Taken notes....

Posted by: Tang

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Originally Posted by No Rice Allowed


	Flashing?? Valleys?? sounds like a bad porn movie...What exactly are you guys refering too?? Taken notes....

A valley is where a section of roof, meets another section of roof running an opposite direction.

Flashing is pieces of metal used to prevent a roof from leaking. Mostly in tight spots like on a split level home where one roof runs up against a wall, you run flashign up against the wall and lace it in with the shingles. There for making it impossible for any water to get to the wood. Some people flash valleys, we don't, but some do. The size of the homes Jay does, it would probably take way to long to do valleys the way we do, so his way makes perfect sense.

By the way P, I like the Hip Roof, nice touch.

This is the valley.

Posted by: MikeT

hey that window ain't level...

Posted by: Mr. P

you're right Mike, it's a hopper (cranks open at the bottom), and it's open just enough for the air gun line to come out the bottom. It looks crooked, but it's because the window is open a little bit.

As for those valleys, they are done by an initial saw cut, and then a base of solid roof cap stock, and finished with a very careful toothing of individual shingles way up under the existing shingles, lapped as though Jay was giving a demo on "this old house".

Mr. P

Posted by: Mr. P

Here are a few more shots of the “slave labor” that took place on my ridgetop. Yeah, that’s me with the big Makita drilling through solid limestone chips in order to epoxy in those #4 rebar. Nice shoes, eh?????

Hey, a boy has to have something to keep him off the streets, otherwise I’m out there raising hell making the women and children run for the sidewalks.

I used an industrial epoxy and it holds like there’s no tomorrow. All the block was filled solid, well………..uhh, there are a few wine bottles stuffed in there, ha ha ha. I ran it up 5 or 6 courses high. Blockwork is something I don’t really want to do again in this lifetime. The block truck dropped off the load at the bottom of the hill while I was at work, I ran the ole ’89 Volvo down with my farm trailer and brought it up one load at a time, and as a result I handled each block a gazillion times before it finally went in place. One thing I did to save time was to pour an extra thick slab with a big turndown on the perimeter, with rebar of course, which I bent myself. No big deal. I ran horizontal reinforcement wire at alternate courses. Base plate was anchored down with ½” bolts. A boy has to have a hobby.

Posted by: skeezix

You should show what's done on the inside.

Posted by: skeezix

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Originally Posted by Carpet_Liquer


	All that money spent....and your still using a ladder from WWII....

After he bought the materials, it was all he could afford!

Posted by: No Rice Allowed

Is that a Fur hat I see you wearing?

Posted by: No Rice Allowed

Is that a Canadian Fur hat I see you wearing?

Posted by: Mr. P

har har, Canadian fur hat...............not on me buddy. That's a USN watch cap.

Mr. P

Posted by: DeckSetter

We usually use a roll of coil metal in valleys. Once or twice I've seen a roll of trim coil used in a valley just because it's what my boss had laying around. Have you ever used that "valley paper" stuff with the sticky back? It seems like just an extra layer of shingle, about 2ft wide, with a sticky back. I don't really trust it, the next county over from mine says you have to use that for the first row of paper on a roof to pass code.

Can't say I've ever seen anybody around here cut shingles with a circular saw.... I saw my boss use a circular saw to cut fiberglass ceiling tiles for drop ceiling once though. It threw more dust than I've ever seen before or since! He regretted it later because he used the tailgate of his Suburban for a saw table....that thing was FILTHY!!!!

Jay's right about the ridge vents. They may be expensive, but they do a DANG good job compared to those other vents. Unfortunately, those kitchen vent type things are what most people around here use.

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Originally Posted by LS1JAY


	Most people don't want to spend the money, so I use 26 gauge glavinized metal and a 13" strip of modified bitumen and follow it up with a california style valley. Never had one leak yet!

"california style" - what's that? Is that just a fancy roofer's term for lacing it or what?

Posted by: KJ

P that is a good looking job there

Posted by: LS1JAY

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Originally Posted by DeckSetter


	"california style" - what's that? Is that just a fancy roofer's term for lacing it or what?

No, lacing or weaving is different. I see if I can get a pic up for you real soon and I'll show you what I'm talking about.

Posted by: Tang

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Originally Posted by DeckSetter


	We usually use a roll of coil metal in valleys. Once or twice I've seen a roll of trim coil used in a valley just because it's what my boss had laying around. Have you ever used that "valley paper" stuff with the sticky back? It seems like just an extra layer of shingle, about 2ft wide, with a sticky back. ?

You are thinking of Winter Guard, or atleast thats what its called around here. We use it in the valleys on metal roofs that we do.

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