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Is there a modded LS1 powered car faster?

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Posted by: No Rice Allowed




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Posted by: No Rice Allowed

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Originally Posted by EvilLS1
Maybe not, but I'm not really concerned about how quick Joe Blow's $100k 4.6L dragster is.. The only thing that matters to me is if my car is quicker than the 4.6L Stang next to it. And most of the time, it is.






It's merely showing a 4.6L's capabilities, no matter where or who built it...Come now Evil...you know as well as I do, many a LS1 fan brags about how the LS1 is GOD and the 4.Sux is so slow and FORD should never have used that engine.....Bowtie fans post 9 sec Vettes and such, no matter how much it cost to get it there, including the car itself...Well, I'm here to post what a 4.6l can do as well..."No Matter the Cost.."



Posted by: No Rice Allowed

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Originally Posted by EvilLS1
Yeah but we don't title our threads with shit like "Hey lets see a puny 4.6L do this!" (or atleast I don't).. And that IS basically what your post is saying or instigating. You posted this to get a rise from the LS1 guys.. And you did. So stop yer whining.



See that's the key..you don't...but you know some do...I didn't post it to say Slow LS1 or such, but to find out if there is one faster..No where in this topic did I say, "there isn't one.."....Now, when talking about a 4.6L's acomlishments in a topic, a few do mention how it isn't nothing, because they see faster LS1's all day....Besides...this is the PIT right??



Posted by: No Rice Allowed

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Originally Posted by EvilLS1
Actually, its usually Tang who is saying stuff like that. And he is a FORD guy.



He's one....but he hates to see a 4.6L crush a 5.0L.....



Posted by: JustaV6

i'm happy with my lil 4.6


*insider justav6 news* i'm on the tele with the boys at Sutton High performance here in chicago... i can get a KB blower installed and completely tuned for about 500-600 bucks 350rwhp what?



Posted by: IROC_ZO6

yeah, and theres 7 second turbod 4 cylinder trailer queens too. Theres 2.5L v6 outboards that push boats into high 7 second 1/4 mile times (might i add the rods in an OB are tiny compared to cars) with 3 stage nitrous systems and nitromethane. so what? most of these tuners can make a briggs and stratton put out 200hp if they tried...



Posted by: IROC_ZO6

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Originally Posted by JustaV6
i'm happy with my lil 4.6




I think you were one of the smartest fuckers in the country for getting an 04... #1 its a proven body style, in its best year of production, and #2 you raped the dealer on the price because the new 05 hype mobile was released.

Might i add... theres ls1 vette streetcars putting out over 1000hp and full blown drag cars making 1900-2000 on the dyno. they just havent put the whole package together.



Posted by: No Rice Allowed

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Originally Posted by IROC_ZO6
yeah, and theres 7 second turbod 4 cylinder trailer queens too. Theres 2.5L v6 outboards that push boats into high 7 second 1/4 mile times (might i add the rods in an OB are tiny compared to cars) with 3 stage nitrous systems and nitromethane. so what? most of these tuners can make a briggs and stratton put out 200hp if they tried...



Well, that's what I want to know..Is there a LS1 faster? How fast and how much abuse can a 346ci take?



Posted by: No Rice Allowed

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Originally Posted by EvilLS1
Oh bullshit! You already knew that no LS1 has went quicker because Grape Ape has only reminded us of it about 100 times now. So don't even try to feed me that BS story. You were rubbing it in and trying to ignite another ponycar fued. They don't call you "instigator" for nothin!



Honestly I never really seen what Grape Ape wrote about them or had to say and if I did at the time..I don't recall it now.....That's the truth...No instigating....



Posted by: IROC_ZO6

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Originally Posted by No Rice Allowed
Honestly I never really seen what Grape Ape wrote about them or had to say and if I did at the time..I don't recall it now.....That's the truth...No instigating....




shit man, hes only "casually mentioned" it at least as many times as evil said, lol



Posted by: No Rice Allowed

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Originally Posted by IROC_ZO6
shit man, hes only "casually mentioned" it at least as many times as evil said, lol



That particular car?? I must have been asleep....I just came across that page today showing it...



Posted by: skeezix

Wellll! "The little 4.6 that could", eh? Is there anything it can't do?!?!





















Oh yeah! It CAN'T beat a CHEVY!!



Posted by: No Rice Allowed

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Originally Posted by skeezix
Wellll! "The little 4.6 that could", eh? Is there anything it can't do?!?!

Oh yeah! It CAN'T beat a CHEVY!!



see 4.6l bashing...



Posted by: KJ

[QUOTE=EvilLS1] Grape Ape has only reminded us of it about 100 times now. QUOTE]

it that the loser with teh bastard ford pu maybe he can get a 4.6 to burn desal





Posted by: LS1 Mopar Turbo

Ford sucks...period....



Posted by: JustaV6

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Originally Posted by IROC_ZO6
I think you were one of the smartest fuckers in the country for getting an 04... #1 its a proven body style, in its best year of production, and #2 you raped the dealer on the price because the new 05 hype mobile was released..



lol yep... they fixed EVERYTHING on the 04's... tranny's fixed too, i've heard horror stories from guys with 01's and 02's with the 3650. And hell yea i raped them... patience was a definite virtue for me for once lol. I really want an 05, but nothing beats getting a sticker (28K) dollar car for 22K Out the door with taxes, titles, ect. lol



Posted by: Tang

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Originally Posted by No Rice Allowed
He's one....but he hates to see a 4.6L crush a 5.0L.....




Nahh, if you started to build each, by having to buy the block and every part seperate, with a set budget, the 4.6 would be waaaaaay behind. The 4.6 is out there for those guys who want a shiney new car and want to spend double for their mods.



Posted by: BurnOut

I'm not aware of any quicker LS1's, but neither am I aware of any full-on, max-effort cars like the Mustang that was posted.



Posted by: No Rice Allowed

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Originally Posted by Tang
Nahh, if you started to build each, by having to buy the block and every part seperate, with a set budget, the 4.6 would be waaaaaay behind. The 4.6 is out there for those guys who want a shiney new car and want to spend double for their mods.





problem is, those older 5.0L couldn't handle the maximum HP a 4.6L is able too and still be some what reliable.....Only reason the 5.0L's did so well..cheap to build and they came in a lighter car....Remember, the first year of the SN95 body's came with a 5.0L...and guess what...it wasn't all that fast....



Posted by: VETTKLR

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Originally Posted by No Rice Allowed
Is there a modded LS1 powered car faster?




No. Eat a dick and like it, chumps.



Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by IROC_ZO6
yeah, and theres 7 second turbod 4 cylinder trailer queens too.

That's got nothing to do with 6's, or the car pictured.
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Theres 2.5L v6 outboards that push boats into high 7 second 1/4 mile times (might i add the rods in an OB are tiny compared to cars) with 3 stage nitrous systems and nitromethane. so what?

So the Cougar runs C16 race fuel and a single power adder, not dual or triple power adders on nitromethane. It might have a twin turbo setup now, but it hasn't got nitrous or nitromethane too.

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most of these tuners can make a briggs and stratton put out 200hp if they tried...

Even if that were true(it's not), the point is clear. That car is quick, and without a stroker motor. You'll prolly never hear of an LS1 reaching mid 7's with a factory block, let alone 6's. The really fast LS series engined cars are using either iron, or the C5R block(which ain't cheap) and still, none have run 6's, strokers and all. That's the really impressive part, being so small and making so much power. I prefer the 5.4L engine myself and soon we'll see it more frequently, since Ford will use it for the '07 Mustang Cobra.

For bolt on performance, leaving superchargers out, the LS1 is great and beats the 4.6L. Once you get to all out racing, it's no contest at this point. That 1700hp level is a rwhp estimate, btw. That particular car is fairly light, at probably 2300 or so with the driver. The quickest at 2800 lb was Grenatelli(sp) several seasons ago, and ran 7's(2001). They switched to a 5.4L engine and then backed out of racing for some reason.

Don't wanna big fuss over it, but instead of bashing the idea alone, give credit where it's due. The 4.6L is an outstanding design and it's block strength is nearly unbelieveable. I will point out though, that engine has an aftermarket block. It ran about 7.20's before the SHM block was introduced, but obviously they'll use their block since it's available.



Posted by: LS1JAY

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Originally Posted by VETTKLR
No. Eat a dick and like it, chumps.


Why bring Markass into this?



Posted by: IROC_ZO6

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Originally Posted by Grape Ape
That's got nothing to do with 6's, or the car pictured.



yes it does, its the nice way of saying take your HP/Liter argument and stick it in your ass.

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Originally Posted by Grape Ape
Even if that were true(it's not), the point is clear. That car is quick, and without a stroker motor. You'll prolly never hear of an LS1 reaching mid 7's with a factory block, let alone 6's. The really fast LS series engined cars are using either iron, or the C5R block(which ain't cheap) and still, none have run 6's, strokers and all. That's the really impressive part, being so small and making so much power. I prefer the 5.4L engine myself and soon we'll see it more frequently, since Ford will use it for the '07 Mustang Cobra.

For bolt on performance, leaving superchargers out, the LS1 is great and beats the 4.6L. Once you get to all out racing, it's no contest at this point. That 1700hp level is a rwhp estimate, btw. That particular car is fairly light, at probably 2300 or so with the driver. The quickest at 2800 lb was Grenatelli(sp) several seasons ago, and ran 7's(2001). They switched to a 5.4L engine and then backed out of racing for some reason.

Don't wanna big fuss over it, but instead of bashing the idea alone, give credit where it's due. The 4.6L is an outstanding design and it's block strength is nearly unbelieveable. I will point out though, that engine has an aftermarket block. It ran about 7.20's before the SHM block was introduced, but obviously they'll use their block since it's available.







Posted by: 3SuperSports

Not taking anything away from the car pictured, which appears to be a glass bodied Couger, or the engine in question. But unless anybody's tried to put a twin turbo'd LS-1 in a similar weighted cavalier or Cobalt it's a mute point. All the hyped LS-1 cars I see in the magazines are F-bodies with only suspension mods.
So it doesn't mean it can't be done. It just hasn't been done, yet.



Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by LS1JAY
Why bring Markass into this?





Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by 3SuperSports
Not taking anything away from the car pictured, which appears to be a glass bodied Couger, or the engine in question. But unless anybody's tried to put a twin turbo'd LS-1 in a similar weighted cavalier or Cobalt it's a mute point. All the hyped LS-1 cars I see in the magazines are F-bodies with only suspension mods.
So it doesn't mean it can't be done. It just hasn't been done, yet.

I'd completely agree here, except one important factor. So far, the LS1 block has cracked at around 1300hp and GM shows no signs of making it stronger. That's the entire issue here when we're down to the bottom. The LS1 engine block itself cannot hold the pressures of such power.

Hence, LQ9 and C5R blocks being used for the high powered versions.

John Mihovetz, owner, driver, whatever... of the Cougar above, had a Modular engined Mustang before that, which ran 7.27@193 at 2420 race weight at 5,200 feet, and in 115* heat with a track temp of 140* ... The best part, that was July 2002.



Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by IROC_ZO6
yes it does, its the nice way of saying take your HP/Liter argument and stick it in your ass.

It's not just hp per liter. Stop being a bozo. The 4.6L DOHC can simply make more power than the LS1, PERIOD!



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What, you're upset now because you can't argue well against facts? Get over it.



Posted by: Grape Ape

I'm sure I've said the same thing in the past. If you're just looking for a fun racer that isn't too serious and you want to drive all the time, the LS1 is probably the better engine. I really think the DOHC is hard to beat though, particularly when looking at the gains being made as of late. It's no big deal to get a Mach1 or Cobra into the 11's on motor, and the engine itself need not be torn into. That makes it a great candidate as is the LS1. If given a choice of the 98-02 Trans Am WS6 or the 98-to pre '03 Cobras, I'd have a tough decision. I like the looks of the T/A better, and the engine is easy enough to get where I'd want it. The interior though, makes me lean back to the Cobra. I just like that driver seat better because it's easier to drive and IMO, holds up better. I'd also consider the rear ends, where I prefer the 98 Cobra w/o IRS, but with 8.8" strength. Still, the axles would likely need upgrading.

The 4.6L potential is astounding though, all things considered.



Posted by: LS1JAY

I'd rather just build a Porsche without mufflers and a paper filter and own you all!



Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by LS1JAY
I'd rather just build a Porsche without mufflers and a paper filter and own you all!



BRING IT, Beeeyotch!



Posted by: LS1JAY

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Originally Posted by Grape Ape


BRING IT, Beeeyotch!

Don't tempt me!



Posted by: Grape Ape

Scurred



Posted by: GMR

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Originally Posted by Grape Ape
It's not just hp per liter. Stop being a bozo. The 4.6L DOHC can simply make more power than the LS1, PERIOD!



What, you're upset now because you can't argue well against facts? Get over it.



So your saying that a smaller engine has more potential than a bigger one.

LS



Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by GMR
So your saying that a smaller engine has more potential than a bigger one.

LS

No. I'm saying the 4.6L block is so much stronger than the LS1 block that it's rather large size difference becomes irrelevant. This particular smaller engine has more potential than that particular larger one even though it can't even be made as large.



Posted by: BurnOut

Grape- first of all, the iron LSx block IS a factory piece. Second, there are sleeved LS1 blocks with steel main caps that will take as much power as you want to throw at them. Third, check this out: http://www.horsepowerengineering.co...ans9.64pass.mpg

9.60's on a stock short block. Stock crank, stock rods, stock pistons. Not factory forgings, etc... like the '03 Cobra motor, either. Just good ol' off the shelf GM parts.

The point I am making here is that it's not like the LS1 has a glass jaw... it's just that the Mustang crowd has a much more dedicated following, and as such, more people are willing to drop buckets of cash building an all-out car.