I wouldn't mind changing filters at 10,000 miles when they're dirty, rather than not having to change a K&N because it's not dirty, ha ha, because half the dirt got through the big frigging holes you can SEE THROUGH !
Gimme a match!
Mr. P
Posted by: Brootal
Why the fuck would you burn a $100 (in Oz) air filter???
Not sure if I get your logic, but I think I'll be keeping mine in place.
Posted by: JustaV6
hahaha Mr P owns
he's got money to burn... and parts haha
Posted by: Mr. P
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Originally Posted by Brootal
Why the fuck would you burn a $100 (in Oz) air filter???
Not sure if I get your logic, but I think I'll be keeping mine in place.
Whelp, there comes a time to put one's money where their mouth is, and I did. My reasons were those of "better information on the product", and I realized the K&N is basically a screen door formed in nice little ridges with a token of cotton gauze on it. If you can see through the holes, just think how much dust would get through on a dusty dirt road. It would literally KILL a good motor, because dust is often fine particles of silica, and that stuff will KILL rings and cylinder bores, and if it finds it's way into the oil, it will kill other stuff too.
Regards, Mr. P
Also for your info, here's a bit of history from the archives
I worked for race teams for years. One Toyota Atlantic teem I worked on the driver thought the car was lossing power from the start of a race to the end. So we did leak down checks when we got new engines in. 3% leak down- New. At the end of a race we checked it again and we got 29% leak down. So we sent the head to get the valves done and checked the leak down when the head returned. 4%- Leak down. At the end of the next race 31%- leak down. So we put three dabs of grease down streem of the air filter. "K&N" The next engine came in with 3%-leak down new. And at the end of the race 32%- leak down and the dabs of greas were full of grit. So we changed the filter to a oiled fome filter. 3%- leak down new and at the end of the next race? 18%-leak down. Better still not good. So we made a new air box and used a Mustang GT stock air filter. 3%-leak down new at the end of the next race? 1%- leak down yes I said "1%". The rings bed in and the engine seals up. We went from changing a engine at 300 miles with 29 to 34% leak down to. Changing the engine at 800 miles with 7% leak down.
So the bottom line is. You mite gain a littel more power (1 to 2hp) but it will not last long and befor you know it you will have a LOT less.
I work on 944s only and when I tare down a 944 engine that has had a K&N filter the cyclenders have a LOT of scores from dirt that got through the filter.
If you dont beleve me do the grease test your self. Take out the filter and put a dab of grease in the air box. Then put your K&N filter in and drive the car for a few weeks and pull the filter out and check the dab of grease.
Good Luck Mike F
Posted by: GMR
Try burning the Pure-oil-later filter, see what happens
Seriously though, theres not much power to be gained through a filter alone.
All the power gains come from cold air induction kits that replace the entire intake tract that allow fresh outside air to enter the engine, the filter realy has not much to do with it. But try finding a Pure-oil-lator filter shaped like this.
And will not fall apart under harsh conditions.
I love the part about the factory Mustang filter magically sealing up the rings on the "race" motor.
Posted by: VETTKLR
Booyakasha.
Don't make me counter your e-magazine articles with some showing the potential of the K&N making power.
Hahahaha, you had the little stickers affixed to your airbox...cuuute.
Posted by: VETTKLR
1 or 2 hp.
Posted by: maverick2010
I have had my K&N Conical on my stang for 100 000km. The cylinders smooth and shiny
Posted by: LS1JAY
I no longer run a K&N, but, only because there's no need to with a TB! I did however, run one on my L-98 and put 155,000+ hard miles on it, with ZERO problems!
Posted by: LS1 Mopar Turbo
Have one on the truck. It was part of the cold air kit. It did help the MPG.
Posted by: Mr. P
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Posted by: LS1JAY
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Originally Posted by Mr. P
Anyone want the recharge kit?
Yeah, I want it! Will you send it to me? I just want it to look at!
Posted by: Mr. P
I'm not sure I want to have any part in a guy using this stuff on a mullet. Somehow that just does not seem right.
Mr. P
Posted by: IROC_ZO6
I checked my k&n VS a paper filter (predator real time data view) in my truck, and the K&N didnt flow any more air at the maf than the paper one did. although, the truck has a MASSIVE size filter compared to the air that it needs.
has anyone seen the accel filters or the green stuff? they any different than the k&n, or just different colored oil?
Posted by: LS1JAY
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. P
I'm not sure I want to have any part in a guy using this stuff on a mullet. Somehow that just does not seem right.
Mr. P
I guess you could always keep it and use it as Goat lubricant. Just don't get caught!
Posted by: Mr. P
Jay, you have a sick mind, boy. Who else would think of that, when discussing a K&N air filter recharge kit. Ya got to get help for that, it's gonna cost you some money, but do it !
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Originally Posted by IROC_ZO6
I checked my k&n VS a paper filter (predator real time data view) in my truck, and the K&N didnt flow any more air at the maf than the paper one did. although, the truck has a MASSIVE size filter compared to the air that it needs.
has anyone seen the accel filters or the green stuff? they any different than the k&n, or just different colored oil?
Interesting data, real world too, untainted by the K&N marketing machine.
I think with systems that have adequately sized air boxes in the first place, the filter simply can not become the weak link in the system. It makes sense to do that if you have a brain the size of a pea. If the system is designed so the air box isn't the weak link, then something else becomes the weak link by default, and it may be the actual "throttle opening". If that's the case, good luck putting the race car filter on your car, ha ha. It simply amazes me how people will claim performance improvement by changing out their filter. Either their car was engineered by the third team, or the air filter they're using was purchased at Wal Mart.
I just love those dyno charts some people want to shove in front of you, and all I do is look at the top of the page and see it's a K&N paid advertizement, ha ha ha. Gimme a match brother, I'll show you the way!
Mr. P
Posted by: IROC_ZO6
i think usually what happens is they swap out an old shitty paper filter thats been in the car for 80 thousand miles with a new k&n and there is actually a small difference, which would have still been there if they installed a new PAPER filter. LOL.
Posted by: LS1JAY
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. P
Jay, you have a sick mind, boy. Who else would think of that, when discussing a K&N air filter recharge kit. Ya got to get help for that, it's gonna cost you some money, but do it !
Mr. P
Strange... I only think that way when I'm talking to you.
