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Posted by: StoneFox

A friend of mine said he will sell me a 91 Hatch Mustang for 200 bucks, The car needs a trans but has a good running all stock 5.0

Im thinking of trying to do a Junk yard turbo setup for under a grand including the price of the car. I think I can pull it off

Posted by: 65fairlane

If you make all of your decisions before you start buying stuff you probably can. These guys seem to have done it.

Posted by: Ground Rat

Go for it. If you are patient and wait for good deals I'm sure you can pull it off.

Posted by: skeezix

a 5.0 mustang for $200 bucks.

You guys live in the promised land.

Posted by: maverick2010

What size motor did the Turbo Thunderbird have in it.

Posted by: GMR

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Originally Posted by maverick2010


	What size motor did the Turbo Thunderbird have in it.

I think that was a 2.3.

LS

Posted by: 65fairlane

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Originally Posted by GMR


	I think that was a 2.3. LS

You think correctly.

Posted by: MikeT

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Originally Posted by skeezix


	a 5.0 mustang for $200 bucks. You guys live in the promised land.

$200 mustangs is why everyone wants to come here. Just ask any mexican.

Posted by: LS1 Mopar Turbo

Mike that is fucked up...but I laughed super fucking hard.

Posted by: maverick2010

I was thinking of grabbing a couple out of the 2.5l Chrysler dynasty

Posted by: GMR

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	I was thinking of grabbing a couple out of the 2.5l Chrysler dynasty

The Turbo 2.5s had the smaller mitsu turbos on them, the 2.2
had the bigger Garrett stuff on them. I guess they figured more CI + smaller turbo = more bottom end torque and faster spool up, which made them "feel" faster, when in reality the 2.2s are quicker.

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	$200 mustangs is why everyone wants to come here. Just ask any mexican.

Mexicans drive Mustangs???

LS

Posted by: 65fairlane

I would probably get whatever turbos I could get two of for cheap, at least at first.

Posted by: MikeT

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Originally Posted by GMR


	Mexicans drive Mustangs???

Fuck ya they do!

Posted by: MadScientistMatt

Some thoughts from my own home-made turbo project:

1. The thing that can get out of hand the fastest is custom machine work. It cost me $600 to have my manifold machined for EFI and a fuel rail fabbed.

2. The second big expense, if you're going with fuel injection, is a programable ECU.

3. Third thing that can cost you a bit would be oversized injectors.

You're on your own for finding inexpensive exhaust manifolds or modifying something to work. You could probably pull it off yourself with, at a minimum, a Sawzall, welding torch, and drill with hole saws. But you can bring down the cost of the ECU by using a Megasquirt (unless you can hack the Ford ECU - that's probably possible), and find injectors in a junkyard. I'd get any junkyard injectors cleaned, though - the cleaning service that did my injectors found one of them was totally plugged. Definitely money well spent.

Possible expenses:

Junkyard turbos: $200 or less.
Boost control: You can rig this for under $50.
Megasquirt ECU: $200
Larger injectors: $100 to $300.

So that leaves you with a couple hundred to get the manifolds welded up and all the necessary piping. I'd say this could work if you're decent at fabricating.

Posted by: StoneFox

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Originally Posted by MadScientistMatt


	Some thoughts from my own home-made turbo project: 1. The thing that can get out of hand the fastest is custom machine work. It cost me $600 to have my manifold machined for EFI and a fuel rail fabbed. 2. The second big expense, if you're going with fuel injection, is a programable ECU. 3. Third thing that can cost you a bit would be oversized injectors. You're on your own for finding inexpensive exhaust manifolds or modifying something to work. You could probably pull it off yourself with, at a minimum, a Sawzall, welding torch, and drill with hole saws. But you can bring down the cost of the ECU by using a Megasquirt (unless you can hack the Ford ECU - that's probably possible), and find injectors in a junkyard. I'd get any junkyard injectors cleaned, though - the cleaning service that did my injectors found one of them was totally plugged. Definitely money well spent. Possible expenses: Junkyard turbos: $200 or less. Boost control: You can rig this for under $50. Megasquirt ECU: $200 Larger injectors: $100 to $300. So that leaves you with a couple hundred to get the manifolds welded up and all the necessary piping. I'd say this could work if you're decent at fabricating.

The exaust manifolds are easy actually for the Mustang. Depending on which side you are mounting your turbo you need two stock right, or left side headers one you mount on the oposite side so it exits at the front of the engine. the other you turn upside down so it also exits front of the engine. the Turbo or turbos are mounted at the inner fender behind the core support where the battery box would be.

like this except what I am gonna do is mount the turbo on the left side use another left side header turned around and run the pipe across the front of the engine and tee into the pipe before it gets to the turbo

Ive found manual boost controlls on ebay for under 20 bucks

The Megasquirt is not nessasary on the Ford Mass Air fuel injection. Just have to have a blow through Mass air. A friend of mine even got a draw through mass air to work by mounting it on the intake side of the turbo (most likely what I will be doing)

Im gonna get a set of 24# injectors and just play it very safe with the boost to start with. Later on if I decide I wanna spend a little money on this car I can get a set of 42# injectors and a blow through mass air

Posted by: GMR

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Originally Posted by StoneFox


	The exaust manifolds are easy actually for the Mustang. Depending on which side you are mounting your turbo you need two stock right, or left side headers one you mount on the oposite side so it exits at the front of the engine. the other you turn upside down so it also exits front of the engine. the Turbo or turbos are mounted at the inner fender behind the core support where the battery box would be. like this except what I am gonna do is mount the turbo on the left side use another left side header turned around and run the pipe across the front of the engine and tee into the pipe before it gets to the turbo Ive found manual boost controlls on ebay for under 20 bucks The Megasquirt is not nessasary on the Ford Mass Air fuel injection. Just have to have a blow through Mass air. A friend of mine even got a draw through mass air to work by mounting it on the intake side of the turbo (most likely what I will be doing) Im gonna get a set of 24# injectors and just play it very safe with the boost to start with. Later on if I decide I wanna spend a little money on this car I can get a set of 42# injectors and a blow through mass air

Wouldnt it be easier to just go with a speed density setup?
It would prolly be a PITA to tune, but it would be less complicated to setup. I would get a wideband A/F gauge as well.

LS

Posted by: StoneFox

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Originally Posted by GMR


	Wouldnt it be easier to just go with a speed density setup? It would prolly be a PITA to tune, but it would be less complicated to setup. I would get a wideband A/F gauge as well. LS

Everybody I know thats done this used the Mass Air system, and all have had good results. I think that the Mass Air system works the same way as it does with cam swaps, it adjusts to the amount of air being pulled or in this case forced into the engine.

Posted by: SVOno5oh

Stone get an EEC tuner... and learn to tweek the stock ECU. You can then do larger injectors etc. The software is probably already written too. This is way easier than a megasquirt.... you want cheap turbos...

Try and get IHIs from '87/8 thunderbird turbo coupes... they are sized for 2.3L of engine at the rpm range a 5.0 operates at.... It'd work well and no one wants them compared to the T3s in the earlier year cars. They are good turbos... just no aftermarket and they use the same bolt flange as a T3.

I'd just run the stock IHI Ford application 10 psi to start with and see what happens with that... should be enough to propel you silly.

If you pull this off this cheap, I want a ride.

Posted by: StoneFox

Well I dont have to worry about one expence now, a friend of mine did some horse trading and got me a good T4. I also have a new Greddy T67 I can buy for $200 bucks which I still may do.

So far I have about $610.00 left to spend to stay in my budget

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