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Bang for the Buck?

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Posted by: ivanogburn

Here is a newbie question....

What are the hottest Modern Muscle cars (1990 - and newer) for under $10000.?

What car brings the most bang for the buck?


Posted by: LS1JAY

Anything with an LS1 inside!


Posted by: TNT

One word: Mustang


Posted by: The OLE MAN

Buy a GUN and steal what ever you want.


The OLE MAN


Posted by: No Rice Allowed

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Originally Posted by ivanogburn
Here is a newbie question....

What are the hottest Modern Muscle cars (1990 - and newer) for under $10000.?

What car brings the most bang for the buck?




Does it have to be a muscle car image? You could build a sleeper.... light trucks make good sleepers....


Posted by: LS1JAY

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Originally Posted by TNT
One word: Mustang

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Posted by: GulfCoastGasser

I agree.... I have never understood the fascination with Mustangs. Not thst they are bad cars, but my god why so popular??


Posted by: 65fairlane

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Originally Posted by GulfCoastGasser
I agree.... I have never understood the fascination with Mustangs. Not thst they are bad cars, but my god why so popular??



I think it is just that they are cool looking if you can get past the fact that you see about 500 of them in a given day. They are quick enough for the joy riding most people do. You can jump on the gas on the on ramp or while passing and feel a good bit of power, for a lot of people that is enough. A mustang in stock trim isn't as fast as an LS1 F-Body but I find that a lot of people just don't like the look of the F-Body.


Posted by: John

Mustangs are so popular because, if you wanna go fast...



...you get a Ford!

Friggin' retards! When you guys gonna learn?


BTW, that has a 430 cubic inch twin turbo small block Ford under the hood. Runs about 40 pounds of boost and pegged a 2000 horse dyno at about 3800 RPM. Probably making well over 3,000 horses. Runs 200+ MPH at around 7.40 seconds in a 1/4 mile on drag radials. That's right, 7's on street tires and no wheelie bars.

Put 10.5 inch slicks on that bitch and it'll be runnin' down pro-street door-slammers.


Posted by: merczephyr

Why are Mustangs popular??? Are you kidding me? Have you thumbed through any of the 1/2 dozen or so Mustang magazines on the rack? Largest aftermarket available. You can make that car do what you want, be it road course, drag, auto cross, etc. and the parts to do it are a phone call and a credit card or 3 away... Not to mention the old 5.0's are fairly affordable. Pick up a descent runner for $2000-4000 (or less, the deals are there if you look). spend $4000-$6000 on drivetrain and brakes, and you'll have a respectable street runner and could still come in under $10000. Of course that's if you can do the wrenching yourself. If your not willing to wrench, you can find a LS1 powered over inflated geo storm, grow a mullet, and cruise....


Posted by: 65fairlane

The aftermarket for the Mustang is giant. But come on, it wouldn't be half the size that it is if the car wasn't so popular to begin with.


Posted by: John

Oh, BTW, the yellow car in my picture went for shakedown runs. Shutting it down at the 1,000 foot mark, the car was still running 7.70's at 185+ MPH.

Yeah, that bitch is gonna do 200+ easily!


Posted by: An11SecRanger

The answer to the "most bang for the buck" question has been "Mustang" since the 80s. And, generally speaking, it still is. Of course, there are deals out there on quick cars, other than Mustangs, but the most common "best bang for the buck" deals involve Mustangs.
I'm having trouble getting a title on a Mustang I have here. Actually, I just don't have time, right now, to pursue it.
When I get the title, I'll put it together and sell it. I plan to sell it for $10,000, but we'll see. It might be six months from now.
Point being; this car will run 10s with no problem and that's a great bang for the buck for a turn key street car.
That's why I "built" Mustangs so much more than anything else back in the day.
On the other hand, the Ranger, while it did cost a bit more than $10,000, was a boat load of fun! And, even with the cowl hood and the loud exhaust, it was a sleeper. Many people lost their money because of that thing.


Posted by: LS1JAY

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Originally Posted by GulfCoastGasser
I agree.... I have never understood the fascination with Mustangs. Not thst they are bad cars, but my god why so popular??

I like this guy!





Seriously, I knew I'd ruffle some feathers with my comment. Mission accomplished!


Posted by: Grape Ape

Why any of you would ask why the Mustang is so popular is lost on the general public. The Mustang is one of the most popular cars ever, outselling the vaunted Camaro by perhaps 3 times over. I don't know that for sure, but from all we saw during the production run of the Camaro, it's no contest. Maybe millions more Camaro's were sold... And they're just already in junkyards.

Mustang... Bang for the buck king... Bar none! Sold cheap(till the late 90's) and was easily built for serious competition.


Posted by: LS1JAY

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Originally Posted by Grape Ape
Why any of you would ask why the Mustang is so popular is lost on the general public. The Mustang is one of the most popular cars ever, outselling the vaunted Camaro by perhaps 3 times over.

That's because they kept breaking... thus... people had to keep buying new ones!


Posted by: Grape Ape

Keep trying Jay... Keep trying.


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

Mustangs are a big bang for the buck if you're going drag racing.

If you want to go road racing, they are all messed up. The front end geometry is all off. If it wasn't you wouldn't need camber plates or new, light K-members. The engine sits too far forward. Last I heard, there was a company called Griggs that had a whole new engine cradle that actually moved the engine backwards about 6 inches. That helpes with weight distribution.

But then you go to rear suspension and that half-assed trailing link with the torque arms, what were they thinking? The first thing EVERYBODY does is weld up the torque boxes. But it doesn't matter because without crossbracing and subframe connectors, the unibody is flimsier than a bowl of spaghetti.

Yeah, if you want to go drag racing or just make cheap, crazy power, a Mustang is where it's at...for cheap. But hey, you get what you pay for.

If you want to do some sort of racing that involves turns, a used Miata or Civic will give you way more potential for about the same amount of money. You don't need crazy power on a road course, just the ability to maintain momentum in turns. Small, lightweight cars that are close to a 50/50 balance are much better for that. The Miatas have been around so long that you can pick up a decent Miata that's 15 years old for less than two grand, put three grand in to it and go racing is spec class or club classes. The same goes with a Civic. The aftermarkets are almost as large as the Mustang and there is a ton of knowledge out there about it too.

Yeah, it all depends on what I wanna do. I don't find drag racing all that exciting. Mostly a place for knuckle dragging Neanderthals to play macho man and insult each other over who has a bigger, more powerful what. Seems to me like they are making up for less than average genitalia.


Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
Mustangs are a big bang for the buck if you're going drag racing.

If you want to go road racing, they are all messed up. The front end geometry is all off. If it wasn't you wouldn't need camber plates or new, light K-members. The engine sits too far forward. Last I heard, there was a company called Griggs that had a whole new engine cradle that actually moved the engine backwards about 6 inches. That helpes with weight distribution.

But then you go to rear suspension and that half-assed trailing link with the torque arms, what were they thinking? The first thing EVERYBODY does is weld up the torque boxes. But it doesn't matter because without crossbracing and subframe connectors, the unibody is flimsier than a bowl of spaghetti.

Yeah, if you want to go drag racing or just make cheap, crazy power, a Mustang is where it's at...for cheap. But hey, you get what you pay for.

If you want to do some sort of racing that involves turns, a used Miata or Civic will give you way more potential for about the same amount of money. You don't need crazy power on a road course, just the ability to maintain momentum in turns. Small, lightweight cars that are close to a 50/50 balance are much better for that. The Miatas have been around so long that you can pick up a decent Miata that's 15 years old for less than two grand, put three grand in to it and go racing is spec class or club classes. The same goes with a Civic. The aftermarkets are almost as large as the Mustang and there is a ton of knowledge out there about it too.

Yeah, it all depends on what I wanna do. I don't find drag racing all that exciting. Mostly a place for knuckle dragging Neanderthals to play macho man and insult each other over who has a bigger, more powerful what. Seems to me like they are making up for less than average genitalia.

You proved how much and how little you know about Mustangs within 3 sentences. You proved how little you know about drag racing in the last 2, but at least you can form a sentence.

Mustangs beat the snot out of Miata's and Civics on a regular basis, on multi-turn road courses. They race SCCA in various classes, like AS and T2.

Yes, they need major upgrades to perform as well as they do, but those upgrades are available. This is precisely why Mustangs are so popular. Griggs is one of many companies offering suspension components for Mustangs. There are probably over 100 other companies making parts for the Mustang, covering the entire car.

If someone wants to go fast straight, everyone knows the Mustang is a great platform. There are complete replacement engines as well as full chassis upgrades and it isn't uncommon to see them running 7's and even 6's on the 1/4 mile.

For road racing, Ford Racing, Griggs, Saleen, Steeda, Stillen, Kenny Brown and nearly countless orher companies offer suspension and chassis parts galore, allowing an otherwise average looking Mustang to handle as well as a solid Corvette. Mustangs have won competitions for decades, beating Porsches, BMW's, etc. along the way. Saleen and Steeda are two well known companies which hold outright championships in various road racing classes. The entire car is covered for Mustangs, including chassis, braking, drivetrain and even body panels.

To say Mustangs are just great for drag racing is to not know the abilities of the Mustang or its aftermarket products.

Adding that drag racing is for "knuckledraggers" is to say you know your car ISN'T capable of strong competition against most others which are on the track regularly. It shows immense jealousy as well, based on what is more than likely just a poor choice for the sport. Anybody can drag race. Not just "anybody" can steer(yes, STEER) a car capable of even 11's on the track, not to mention 6.50's. But a true Honda owner has no knowledge of 6.50's because no Honda runs that quickly through the 1/4 mile track. Infact, only a small number of all those ever built can manage 6.50's on the 1/8th mile.

Think your Civic can handle the likes of a stock "MUSCLE" Mustang? Try this video... A regular couple of pro's too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_0_...feature=related ... Yeah, Mustangs are great for DRAG RACIN'!

Granted, that isn't the "bang for the buck" model, but it does quite clearly show the differences between the wannabes and the cars WITH...


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

Is this guy for real? I mean honestly! If anyone thinks "riceboys" are bad, this guy is the polar opposite and even to the extreme of "riceboys" too.

You just said it yourself you stupid monkey. "Yes, they need major upgrades to perform as well as they do, but those upgrades are available." The important word there being MAJOR. A Miata is track ready from the factory. You don't NEED to do anything to it to compete except required safety measures. But upgraded brakes, dampeners, springs and sway bars make a gigantic difference. If you REALLY want to go nuts, get lighter racing wheels and some racing tires. For the 5 or 6 grand it costs, including the price of the car, to get a Mustang into the 9 second 1/4 mile range, you can do the same for road racing with a Miata.

As for your road racing list of manufacturers, Steeda, Saleen and Stillen are all just the "suspensions and bodykits" someone else mentioned and Saleen can't tune a car to save his life. Griggs has a loooooong history of success in racing and you can attach Roush on to that list after you drop the others. You also forgot to put Ford Racing Performance Parts and well, Ford in general. Because you can walk into a dealer that is approved to sell them and BUY an FR500C Mustang which is ready to race off the show room floor. Besides, the FR500C stomps its competition all over the track.

But being the Mustang buttlover that you are, you know that already, don't you?


Posted by: An11SecRanger

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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
As for your road racing list of manufacturers, Steeda, Saleen and Stillen are all just the "suspensions and bodykits"


??? You might want to look a bit more closely at Saleen.
I think every S281 gets Saleen Racecraft springs, shocks and anti-roll bars, seats, pedals and a short throw shifter. That's a base model @ around $40,000.
14-inch brakes are available, among many other options, like super chargers. It's actually fairly impressive.
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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
someone else mentioned and Saleen can't tune a car to save his life.


That may be true, but he owns one of the top companies and his guys know their stuff. Moot point.
Don't forget, they also built cars ... Cars that, easily, beat Mustangs (very much including the FR500C) and even Corvettes in road racing.
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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
As for your road racing list of manufacturers, Steeda, Saleen and Stillen are all just the "suspensions and bodykits" someone else mentioned and Saleen can't tune a car to save his life. Griggs has a loooooong history of success in racing and you can attach Roush on to that list after you drop the others. You also forgot to put Ford Racing Performance Parts and well, Ford in general. Because you can walk into a dealer that is approved to sell them and BUY an FR500C Mustang which is ready to race off the show room floor. Besides, the FR500C stomps its competition all over the track.

The FR500C?
Uh, that's a $125,000 racecar. I thought the Saleen Extreme was over-priced, but dayam! It's half the price of the FR500C.
Griggs is good stuff, but my choice will still likely be Maximum Motorsports. It's just all around good stuff and (at least, used to be) at a decent price.
ConTex seems to have some good stuff, too.

Then again, I'm pretty sure, J. Bittle built a Mustang (back in the 80s) that pulled 1.01Gs on the skid pad. That's impressive today. If he could do it two decades ago, everyone should be doing it today.
I'm not seeing a boat load of Civics competing well against any Mustangs with all the right stuff from any of these companies. So, is that your point? And, since we've been referring to road racing, I don't expect to read about solo stuff (solo is what my GSXR is for ).
After all that, this thread is about bang for the buck and staying in the $10,000 (or less) range.
For that, my choice is the Mustang because the parts are there for the money and it's fun to drive when it's done. It's that simple for me.


Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
Is this guy for real? I mean honestly! If anyone thinks "riceboys" are bad, this guy is the polar opposite and even to the extreme of "riceboys" too.

You just said it yourself you stupid monkey. "Yes, they need major upgrades to perform as well as they do, but those upgrades are available." The important word there being MAJOR. A Miata is track ready from the factory. You don't NEED to do anything to it to compete except required safety measures. But upgraded brakes, dampeners, springs and sway bars make a gigantic difference. If you REALLY want to go nuts, get lighter racing wheels and some racing tires. For the 5 or 6 grand it costs, including the price of the car, to get a Mustang into the 9 second 1/4 mile range, you can do the same for road racing with a Miata.

As for your road racing list of manufacturers, Steeda, Saleen and Stillen are all just the "suspensions and bodykits" someone else mentioned and Saleen can't tune a car to save his life. Griggs has a loooooong history of success in racing and you can attach Roush on to that list after you drop the others. You also forgot to put Ford Racing Performance Parts and well, Ford in general. Because you can walk into a dealer that is approved to sell them and BUY an FR500C Mustang which is ready to race off the show room floor. Besides, the FR500C stomps its competition all over the track.

But being the Mustang buttlover that you are, you know that already, don't you?

The fact they need major upgrades is a point worth noting, so I noted that point. Conversely, your car is incapable of matching the Mustang including the aftermarket, at any cost.

You bought a "wannabe mobile," complete with nifty things like "high performance catback exhaust" and "ground effects"... Those ground effects probably slow it considerably versus not having them, by the way... But hey, it's cute, right?

Detailing some of the available aftermarket is in no way being polar opposite of "riceboy" because the intention is to show what happens, not what looks cute. That said, I am the polar opposite of riceboy... I am happy to make that report. Production Honda's are purpose built, just not for racing. I doubt any production Honda can really compete with a high end Mustang, even stock for stock. For that matter, the Focus handles better than most Hondas, and it's a 14-18K car.

INow, if you're so delusional, you think the Miata is "track ready," a padded cell awaits. They handle well when stock... Racers, they are not. The obvious proof of that lies in the numbers. Low hp and lower tq are clear signs of a daily driver, not a racer. Beyond a local autocross set up in a parking lot, they're just cars on the road until they too, get modifications.

Miata's hope sits solidly on two factors... Light weight and REAR WHEEL DRIVE! It weighs so little, the frame is easily ridgid enough to handle quick, sharp turns. RWD helps handling. Add in the WHOPPING 166hp(about double what my car makes.... AT DEAD IDLE!) and 140 ft-lb torque(likely less than my car makes AT DEAD IDLE) and you have... a grocery getter.

The fact remains, Mustang is the undisputed KING of "bang for the buck" and has been since the 1980's.

I didn't "forget" to mention any company. I simply lists a few of the hundreds, as I clearly see it's still right here to note. And btw, the 1st name on my list was Ford Racing, Captian obvious!

As for the FR500C, I know it was available in 2005. I'm not aware if it is today. Not that it matters anyway, since "bang for the buck" doesn't include $125,000 cars. Trust me, I could build a track TERROR for that much money. We're talking about how much performance per dollar we can get. To that end, FOX CHASSIS MUSTANGS are the way to go. The SN95 isn't too far behind... Well, yes it is unless it's an OHV version.

Finally, SALEEN... You're an airhead at large if you think they can't build and tune race cars. They've had issues with Fords latest Mustang software. This hardly makes them a failure. As a matter of fact, Saleen has won probably more overall races than ANY other Mustang tuner. They've won more titles too, from the looks. They're so good, infact, they've got their very own car in production these days. It too, has won many races and placed in many more.


Posted by: TNT

Anyone else find it funny that the punk lambasts the Mustang for having a unibody while having sex with his unibodied Shitvic?

BTW, Griggs moves the engine back 1 to 2", not 6". 6" would require cutting the firewall, fabbing a new trans tunnel, new trans crossmember, heavily modied dash, and long list of other changes.

BTW, I've got less then $5000 invested in my Mustang, which I bought because I like that bodystyle(it was only available for 3 years in the 80s). So I got quite a bit of bang for my buck and there's a massive aftermarket of actual performance mods out there.


Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by TNT
Anyone else find it funny that the punk lambasts the Mustang for having a unibody while having sex with his unibodied Shitvic?

BTW, Griggs moves the engine back 1 to 2", not 6". 6" would require cutting the firewall, fabbing a new trans tunnel, new trans crossmember, heavily modied dash, and long list of other changes.

BTW, I've got less then $5000 invested in my Mustang, which I bought because I like that bodystyle(it was only available for 3 years in the 80s). So I got quite a bit of bang for my buck and there's a massive aftermarket of actual performance mods out there.

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Posted by: 20#GSX

look in my sig to see the real best bang for the buck!


Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by 20#GSX
look in my sig to see the real best bang for the buck!





Now THAT'S FUNNY!

As if the Eclipse is even in the "also considered" list...

And I've gotta ask... If what's in your sig offers the best bang for the buck, why is it still so slow? You must be one "livin' on the edge" dude...


Posted by: John

I dunno. I think this dude is an ass but I think he has a point too. A Mustang wouldn't be my choice for road racing unless I was going club or class racing where a Mustang would fit specs the best. If I was just doing Solo racing or parking lot racing, I'd probably go with a Miata or a Subaru Impreza before I thought Mustang.


Posted by: 20#GSX

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Originally Posted by Grape Ape




Now THAT'S FUNNY!

As if the Eclipse is even in the "also considered" list...

And I've gotta ask... If what's in your sig offers the best bang for the buck, why is it still so slow? You must be one "livin' on the edge" dude...

typical shit talker. back your shit up or shut the fuck up dude. you're starting to annoy me! I haven't seen any pics of your pustang or time slips and then you bail on people when they challenge you to a race. i bet you're one of those 16 yr olds with a v6 rustang who looks up shit on the internet and then startes posting it. you must be because all of your posts are copied an pasted from some website shit or something. get a life loser!


Posted by: 20#GSX

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Originally Posted by John
I dunno. I think this dude is an ass but I think he has a point too. A Mustang wouldn't be my choice for road racing unless I was going club or class racing where a Mustang would fit specs the best. If I was just doing Solo racing or parking lot racing, I'd probably go with a Miata or a Subaru Impreza before I thought Mustang.

i like this guy!


Posted by: Grape Ape

Quote:
Originally Posted by 20#GSX
typical shit talker. back your shit up or shut the fuck up dude. you're starting to annoy me! I haven't seen any pics of your pustang or time slips and then you bail on people when they challenge you to a race. i bet you're one of those 16 yr olds with a v6 rustang who looks up shit on the internet and then startes posting it. you must be because all of your posts are copied an pasted from some website shit or something. get a life loser!

What need have I to "back up" anything. Apparently everyone here EXCEPT you knows how to view an old timeslip of mine... Of course, you aren't even close to competing with that, so why would I care what your opinion is on the matter? I wouldn't.

You know I'm not 16... You never see me in class! I know you're not 16 anymore... But I still think you belong in school. I can't imagine anyone like you having graduated... Kicked out, maybe... graduated.. Nahhh...

I doubt you can find any of my posts anywhere else, so clearly they weren't cut & pasted... Simply because my grammar is decent, my spelling is decent, and my logic is clear... Doesn't mean cut & paste. No doubt you never cut and paste your posts... Nobody would "steal" the garbage you leave here...

Before you challenge me to a race, get to the track. Anyone with a clue knows your car is not competition for mine... And it NEVER will be. You don't have the required money.

Btw, I find it HILARIOUS that you would call anyone else a loser... Look at yourself... I know it isn't easy, but there you are.... With nothing.


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

HOLY CRAP! Diarrhea of the mouth is right! I don't even know where to start!

If not wanting to deal with half-truths and spin is what makes me "schooled" in this moron's eyes, consider me schooled then 'cause I just don't have the energy or concern.

Oh well.


Posted by: Grape Ape

I can deal with all three of you wannabes... Just tell me which one of you HAS a fast or powerful car? Oh, right... NONE...

While you beg to talk trash about things... You know you don't have to prove anything... So say whatever's on you mind.

And when you show me, and others(even in this thread) something different than we're saying... You matter not. This thread was about opinion, not fact... But it turns as always.

Don't be shy... I know you boys don't wanna fight with more than 1 person here against you, but if you read the thread, my viewpoint isn't alone.

The others won't knock you around like I will, but that doesn't mean they agree with you.


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

You're losin' steam buddy! Must be that old age settin' in! I guess if you're fooling around with 30 something women that are married to other guys, that might get you tired. Afterall, the Viagra only lasts so long. Unless you're on something else like Encyte or whatever it is in the commercial with that guy running around and grinning like a jackass.


Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
You're losin' steam buddy! Must be that old age settin' in! I guess if you're fooling around with 30 something women that are married to other guys, that might get you tired. Afterall, the Viagra only lasts so long. Unless you're on something else like Encyte or whatever it is in the commercial with that guy running around and grinning like a jackass.


You can spend your entire life "guessing" about me... But you'd do better to be concerned with yourself instead. His ex ain't 30 yet... And my woman isn't either. I'm in terrible condition these days, but I take no 'performance' drugs... I'm near 20yrs older than my gal... Not that it matters.


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grape Ape
You can spend your entire life "guessing" about me... But you'd do better to be concerned with yourself instead. His ex ain't 30 yet... And my woman isn't either. I'm in terrible condition these days, but I take no 'performance' drugs... I'm near 20yrs older than my gal... Not that it matters.



There is no need to guess about you. I already know what kind of a person you are.

Two words for you pops.

GET

HELP


The professional kind.


Posted by: Grape Ape

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
There is no need to guess about you. I already know what kind of a person you are.

Two words for you pops.

GET

HELP


The professional kind.


Stop whining like a little brat already! I've been me far longer than you've been you. To date, I'm ahead of you...


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grape Ape
Stop whining like a little brat already! I've been me far longer than you've been you. To date, I'm ahead of you...



Do you have any idea how old I am? Or are you having some oral excrement problems again?


Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
Do you have any idea how old I am? Or are you having some oral excrement problems again?

According to your lies... er... posts... You're roughly 30... NO MORE than 30... Probably 29... Do I care? Not really... Aside from pointing out the obvious anyway...

As for my "oral excrements" and a problem... Only one... Your car is not NEAR ENOUGH for me to spit upon...

You're a great candidate for the old saying, "Better to keep your mouth silent and let others think you're an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt" ... Well, I just made that one up, but it's close...


Posted by: DeckSetter

WOW this thread is horrible.

Bang for the buck... '91-'92 Spirit R/T or '92-'93 Daytona R/T, if you can find one. 224hp out of the box with a 2.2l DOHC turbocharged 4 banger, people have dynoed over 500hp with just an alcohol injection kit and big turbo.

And no, I'm not a turbo dodge homer. I'm convinced this is a very underrated set up.


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grape Ape
According to your lies... er... posts... You're roughly 30... NO MORE than 30... Probably 29... Do I care? Not really... Aside from pointing out the obvious anyway...

As for my "oral excrements" and a problem... Only one... Your car is not NEAR ENOUGH for me to spit upon...

You're a great candidate for the old saying, "Better to keep your mouth silent and let others think you're an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt" ... Well, I just made that one up, but it's close...




Wow. Well, I'm 29 and I can honestly say that spitting on anyone's car hasn't even remotely crossed my mind. You are also inaccurate in your assessment of your regurg