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This place is called ModernMuscleCars.net and there is no Honda section?

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Posted by: Mugen_K20A

Not even an "Imports" sections?

What gives?


Posted by: TNT

That's because this place is about MUSCLE CARS, not rice burning turds that are wrong wheel drive.


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

That's a GREAT response! Thanks for the welcome!

Maybe in your next response you could sling some insults that I HAVEN'T heard before?


Posted by: LS1JAY

Welcome aboard! You're not going to get too many friendly replies to a comment like that. I assume you have a Honda or at least like them? Are you old enough to drive yet? Have a nice day and welcome to MMC!


Posted by: TNT

Well after my experience of owning three honDUHs, I have nothing nice to say about them.


Posted by: Grape Ape

As the name implies... MUSCLE... Honda makes a V8, I think. But do they use it in a vehicle they sell?

Sorry, but 4cyl. powered cars don't qualify as "muscle" to anyone who's been around long enough to have formed an educated opinion about engines.


Posted by: John

Honda puts V8's in Acuras. The SC430 has a 4.3L V8. Shame it's a big turd that can't get out of its own way.


Posted by: bl3wbyu

Good question, though I think the answer is fairly obvious if you give it some thought.

This isn't a Modern Performance Cars forum. Sure, there are some awesome, fast, good looking, great handling imports. I'd certainly love to have an RX-7, S2000, or certainly the new GT-R.

However, as pointed out by others, this is a Modern Muscle Cars forum. Here's a definition of a muscle car from wikipedia:
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"Muscle car is a term used to refer to a variety of high performance automobiles. The term principally refers to American, Australian and to a lesser extent South African models from the late 1960s and early 1970s and generally describes a 2-door rear wheel drive mid-size car with a large, powerful V8 engine and special trim, intended for maximum torque on the street or in drag racing competition."


This forum is for the modern reincarnations of those classic muscle cars of yore, and those modern renditions also necessitate large V8's, glorious exhaust note roar, and rear wheel drive.

Sure, there are quite a few stout imports and sure you can modify a lot of them to hang with a lot of the cars this forum is dedicated to whether it be on the street, a race track, or a dragstrip. However, those are still two totally different types of vehicles in this sense.


I hope that gives some explanation as to why we have no imports section here. Feel free to hang around and get involved in discussion, but just be aware that there no diehard import fans here, as this forum is directed toward a diametrically opposite demographic.


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

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Originally Posted by TNT
Well after my experience of owning three honDUHs, I have nothing nice to say about them.



What do you have now that is so much better?


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

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Originally Posted by Grape Ape
As the name implies... MUSCLE... Honda makes a V8, I think. But do they use it in a vehicle they sell?

Sorry, but 4cyl. powered cars don't qualify as "muscle" to anyone who's been around long enough to have formed an educated opinion about engines.



Educated opinion? So what kind of old man are you that you've been "around"? Around what, surprise buttsex?


Posted by: Grape Ape

Idonno what Acura gets a V8, but Lexus has plenty of V8 vehicles from the looks. The IS F has a V8 rated at over 400hp and nearly 400 torque. Considering its size, 0-60 un well under 5 seconds isn't surprising and it is respectable... But starting at 56K makes it a waste of time. Sadly, it's a 4dr, but it will run 170 according to Lexus. And it has an 8spd transmission! Considering it has a "5.0" looming under the hood, no WONDER it performs well!!!

On the other hand, the SC starts at more than 65K and makes less than 300hp. At least it's a 2dr. Funny thing here is, the biggest engine they offer is a 5.7L, but it makes less power in stock configuration than the 5.0L in the IS F... But it's nearly 100hp more than the SC, which was designed as a performance coupe way back in the 90's(or late 80's).

Any way I look at it, the "muscle" is basically missing in many of todays cars, V8's included. Most companies are leaning hard to make 4 poppers "perform" these days... It just doesn't make sense, noting the more powerful car engines have more cylinders AND the economy of the small engine drops off quickly when power is bumped up. V8's can keep more of their efficiency when the same is done.


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

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Originally Posted by John
Honda puts V8's in Acuras. The SC430 has a 4.3L V8. Shame it's a big turd that can't get out of its own way.




What kind of a fucking moron are you? The SC430 is a Lexus which is made by TOYOTA not Honda. Goddamn redneck assholes.

The biggest engine Honda makes is a 3.7L V6 in the Acura MDX and it makes 300 horsepower.


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

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Originally Posted by bl3wbyu
Good question, though I think the answer is fairly obvious if you give it some thought.

This isn't a Modern Performance Cars forum. Sure, there are some awesome, fast, good looking, great handling imports. I'd certainly love to have an RX-7, S2000, or certainly the new GT-R.

However, as pointed out by others, this is a Modern Muscle Cars forum. Here's a definition of a muscle car from wikipedia:

This forum is for the modern reincarnations of those classic muscle cars of yore, and those modern renditions also necessitate large V8's, glorious exhaust note roar, and rear wheel drive.

Sure, there are quite a few stout imports and sure you can modify a lot of them to hang with a lot of the cars this forum is dedicated to whether it be on the street, a race track, or a dragstrip. However, those are still two totally different types of vehicles in this sense.


I hope that gives some explanation as to why we have no imports section here. Feel free to hang around and get involved in discussion, but just be aware that there no diehard import fans here, as this forum is directed toward a diametrically opposite demographic.



You ask me if I even have a license and yet you let this monkey post? Yeah, sure, whatever.


Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
Educated opinion? So what kind of old man are you that you've been "around"? Around what, surprise buttsex?

So you really are a child... Move along... Romper room is down the road...

Like most members you'll probably encounter here, I've probably forgotten more about automobiles TODAY ALONE than you have or will learn in the next 20yrs.

Wanna learn about vehicles? Ask legitimate questions and lay off the "stuck on stupid" remarks.


Posted by: No Rice Allowed

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Originally Posted by Grape Ape
Idonno what Acura gets a V8, but Lexus has plenty of V8 vehicles from the looks. The IS F has a V8 rated at over 400hp and nearly 400 torque. Considering its size, 0-60 un well under 5 seconds isn't surprising and it is respectable... But starting at 56K makes it a waste of time. Sadly, it's a 4dr, but it will run 170 according to Lexus. And it has an 8spd transmission! Considering it has a "5.0" looming under the hood, no WONDER it performs well!!!

On the other hand, the SC starts at more than 65K and makes less than 300hp. At least it's a 2dr. Funny thing here is, the biggest engine they offer is a 5.7L, but it makes less power in stock configuration than the 5.0L in the IS F... But it's nearly 100hp more than the SC, which was designed as a performance coupe way back in the 90's(or late 80's).

Any way I look at it, the "muscle" is basically missing in many of todays cars, V8's included. Most companies are leaning hard to make 4 poppers "perform" these days... It just doesn't make sense, noting the more powerful car engines have more cylinders AND the economy of the small engine drops off quickly when power is bumped up. V8's can keep more of their efficiency when the same is done.




Rumors of a V8 Acura is in the works, RL Model...Due out in 2010....


Posted by: bl3wbyu

Ok, I'm out, now. I was VERY willing to be civil about this, and tried to explain it to you in nice terms.

But obviously you have no honest questions and are only here to further some particular agenda.

I say have no mercy on him!


Posted by: rodslinger

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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
... Goddamn redneck assholes...



Evil? Is that you?


Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
What kind of a fucking moron are you? The SC430 is a Lexus which is made by TOYOTA not Honda. Goddamn redneck assholes.

The biggest engine Honda makes is a 3.7L V6 in the Acura MDX and it makes 300 horsepower.

Are you here to be civil, or just to get dumped on?

You appear to be woking hard on "option 2" at this point.


Posted by: TNT

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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
What do you have now that is so much better?




Here's what I'm driving now.

http://modernmusclecars.net/forums/...31&postcount=59

I've owned 5 Mustangs and the only time they ever let me down was when I did something stupid. My last honDUH needed new longblocks every 3000-5000 miles. So replacing the engine with every oil change convinced me to stop wasting my time on the poorly designed poorly built POSes. honDUHs are designed and assembled by retarded chimps out of inferior materials obtained from recycling Coors light cans.

I wouldn't drive another honDUH if they paid me.


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

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Originally Posted by Grape Ape
So you really are a child... Move along... Romper room is down the road...

Like most members you'll probably encounter here, I've probably forgotten more about automobiles TODAY ALONE than you have or will learn in the next 20yrs.

Wanna learn about vehicles? Ask legitimate questions and lay off the "stuck on stupid" remarks.



Buddy, if you had any clue about me...I don't need to "learn about vehicles" you arrogant pile of donkey crap. I can teach you a few things. But hey, I drive a Honda so that automagically makes me a moron, right?

Fucking backwaters hick with a mouth writing checks bigger than his ass can cash.


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

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Originally Posted by bl3wbyu
Ok, I'm out, now. I was VERY willing to be civil about this, and tried to explain it to you in nice terms.

But obviously you have no honest questions and are only here to further some particular agenda.

I say have no mercy on him!



Save the preaching junior and take a look past your nose. There is plenty of cars out there that we never see in this country that put up real power and will wipe the floor with any "modern musclecar" you want to find.


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

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Originally Posted by rodslinger
Evil? Is that you?



Who the hell is that? Are you actually referring to someone or just slinging an insult at me?


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

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Originally Posted by Grape Ape
Are you here to be civil, or just to get dumped on?

You appear to be woking hard on "option 2" at this point.



Wait, who got dumped on? I asked a question, an honest question and the first response I get was "That's because this place is about MUSCLE CARS, not rice burning turds that are wrong wheel drive." and I'M the one not being civil? Whatever pops. Why do you go finish your Metamucil 'cause it's obvious you need some fiber.


Posted by: Mugen_K20A

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Originally Posted by TNT
Here's what I'm driving now.

http://modernmusclecars.net/forums/...31&postcount=59

I've owned 5 Mustangs and the only time they ever let me down was when I did something stupid. My last honDUH needed new longblocks every 3000-5000 miles. So replacing the engine with every oil change convinced me to stop wasting my time on the poorly designed poorly built POSes. honDUHs are designed and assembled by retarded chimps out of inferior materials obtained from recycling Coors light cans.

I wouldn't drive another honDUH if they paid me.



Geez. Sucks to be you!

This is what I drive.



Funny thing is, it's got more power than your car and it's only a 2.0L I4. But, you know, if you've been around long enough to form an opinion about engines, you'd know that sucks...right? Somebody help me here 'cause I'm not sure if I've been "around" long enough now 'cause I thought it was pretty impressive since I still get 30 MPG.

I don't have a picture of my ride specifically 'cause I just got back to the states but all the RR's are pretty much the same.


Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
Buddy, if you had any clue about me...I don't need to "learn about vehicles" you arrogant pile of donkey crap. I can teach you a few things. But hey, I drive a Honda so that automagically makes me a moron, right?

Fucking backwaters hick with a mouth writing checks bigger than his ass can cash.

You need to learn MOST things about life. I'm guessing you're about 25 and have never rebuilt an engine in you're entire life. What I've forgotten about vehicles in general would keep your nose stuck facing books for the next 15yrs. I'm arrogant... But don't worry yourself, BOY... I can handle it.

The only thing you're likely to be able to teach me is that there are still snot-nosed brats MOMMY buys cars for, and doesn't bother debating.

As for the checks I write, I've cashed them all so far, and you're pissant ass won't prevent me from cashing the next, EVER!

Owning a Honda doesn't make you a moron... I own TWO RIGHT NOW! Of course, you're more interested in proving yourself a toughguy than you are getting along with others.

Have a nice day, JUNIOR! And when you grow up, and have a clue about life, you can look back to now and laugh at your ridiculous remarks, realizing that you really did grow up. At that point, you'll be thankful that your brain caught up to your lips and slowed them down a bit.

Sheesh... Internet badasses... Silly punks.


Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
Wait, who got dumped on? I asked a question, an honest question and the first response I get was "That's because this place is about MUSCLE CARS, not rice burning turds that are wrong wheel drive." and I'M the one not being civil? Whatever pops. Why do you go finish your Metamucil 'cause it's obvious you need some fiber.

Oooo... Powerful stuff there, kiddo.

The point of asking is one thing. The way you did it is another. Learn mannerisms and you will get further with any possibly hostile crowd... But you know all that already. You've "been around."

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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
Funny thing is, it's got more power than your car and it's only a 2.0L I4. But, you know, if you've been around long enough to form an opinion about engines, you'd know that sucks...right? Somebody help me here 'cause I'm not sure if I've been "around" long enough now 'cause I thought it was pretty impressive since I still get 30 MPG.

I don't have a picture of my ride specifically 'cause I just got back to the states but all the RR's are pretty much the same.

You just know it has more power too? Please. Here's what your car will ALWAYS lack as compared to any similarly modifed V8 Mustang... WINNING THE DRAG RACE! And we all know, most youngsters(and no doubt, you are a youngster) try to race on fairly long straight roads.

So your 197hp, 139 lb-ft torque Civic makes you feel confident with all it's alluring prowess... PFFFT! My car makes more power at 3,000rpm than yours does at it's very best. SO WHAT? Can I get 30mpg? Huh... No, but I don't need 30mpg. I can pay for my fuel without mom's credit card.

His Mustang is TWENTY-THREE! It's not a 2007, made for economy. It's probably older than you are and if not, I know it's close. It makes more torque ACCIDENTALLY than your car ever will, sans a power adder. His car was rated at over 200hp(stock) and about 300 ft-lb torque... Numbers your Civic doesn't match.

Your Civic is rated at roughly 20 FEWER horsepower than that TWENTY-THREE year old Mustang. Feeling all cocky?

The only reason your car stands any chance in a straight line race against such an old Mustang is the fact it weighs about as much as an old Ashtabula bicycle. When combined with the age, wear and tear, and possible abuse dished to the Mustang in all those yrs(you don't remember because you were still in diapers), your new car may be quicker... If you can drive well enough.

I too, have a Mustang. Your car would need nearly 3 TIMES its stock power to be even close to the power of my TWENTY-ONE year old Mustang. As for torque, just forget about that. That is, IF my nitrous system is REMOVED! Does that prove much? Nope. It isn't like I'd waste my time, energy or fuel to race a car like yours. And yeah, I can simply adjust my suspension to make it handle turns well too. Mine can easily blast to over 160mph... Can your 30mpg Civic do that in any amount of time or distance? Not bloddy likely. Why not? Because it doesn't have "MUSCLE" to get that job done.

When I wanna ride in style, I use my Ford SUV. It only gets about 18mpg(overall average), but it sure looks better than a 30mpg Civic riding downtown. And while I can't get 30mpg, or even 25, I have heated seats... Your Civic got heated seats? Of course not, it's a CIVIC! My SUV has AWD and dual A/C and even REAR A/C... Your Civic got all that? Of course not, it's a CIVIC! My SUV can haul a 5,000 lb load. Can your Civic haul 5,000 lb? Of course not, it's a CIVIC! My factory stock SUV makes more power and torque than your Civic too... It's an SUV!!! "Quick" is not its forte' ... And that isn't a big thing for a stock Civic either... not even an "RR." Like it's really called "RR" anyway...

So while you go on down the road getting 30mpg, SOME of us have more style, and apparently more money to spend on our jollies... JUNIOR!


Posted by: TNT

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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
Geez. Sucks to be you!

This is what I drive.



Funny thing is, it's got more power than your car and it's only a 2.0L I4. But, you know, if you've been around long enough to form an opinion about engines, you'd know that sucks...right? Somebody help me here 'cause I'm not sure if I've been "around" long enough now 'cause I thought it was pretty impressive since I still get 30 MPG.

I don't have a picture of my ride specifically 'cause I just got back to the states but all the RR's are pretty much the same.




Gee, how long does it take to polish that turd? Guess what, it's an underpowered piece of shit that drives the wrong wheels. Your car is a pathetic joke and I wouldn't be caught dead driving it.


Posted by: 20#GSX

I for one agree with you. I quit posting here a long time ago because this site is nothing but a bunch of rednecks with old technology V8's. No one could accept the fact that I was one of the fastest cars here and they just kept hurling insults. They showed me just how intelligent they really were. Looks like they are now showing you just how smart they really are once again!


Posted by: 65fairlane

We used to have a section called "Chariots of the Gods" that was all about Honda. I don't know where it went.


Posted by: rodslinger

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Originally Posted by 20#GSX
I for one agree with you. I quit posting here a long time ago because this site is nothing but a bunch of rednecks with old technology V8's.....:



Bzzzzzzzzzzzz.... Wrong answer.

I own two Mazdas now. The only V8 I've ever owned is my work truck.



And welcome back dude.


Posted by: rodslinger

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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
Buddy, if you had any clue about me...I don't need to "learn about vehicles" you arrogant pile of donkey crap. I can teach you a few things. But hey, I drive a Honda so that automagically makes me a moron, right?

Fucking backwaters hick with a mouth writing checks bigger than his ass can cash.



Your approach to members of the site is what's making you the moron. Not what you drive....

Granted the Mugen Civic is nice, I would personally find it hard to justify the price premium for some aero parts, suspension bits and a cat-back exhaust. Seems if you were the real enthusiast you could make a better car for less money with some off the shelf parts a bit of sweat from a regular Si.


Posted by: John

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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A
What kind of a fucking moron are you? The SC430 is a Lexus which is made by TOYOTA not Honda. Goddamn redneck assholes.

The biggest engine Honda makes is a 3.7L V6 in the Acura MDX and it makes 300 horsepower.




Ahhhh! Very Steve-esque! Then again, Steve wouldn't know anything about no Hon-DUHs or Turdotas.

So what if I screwed it up? Toyota, Honda, same difference!


Posted by: John

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Originally Posted by rodslinger
Your approach to members of the site is what's making you the moron. Not what you drive....

Granted the Mugen Civic is nice, I would personally find it hard to justify the price premium for some aero parts, suspension bits and a cat-back exhaust. Seems if you were the real enthusiast you could make a better car for less money with some off the shelf parts a bit of sweat from a regular Si.



I dunno dude. If it's an honest-to-god Mugen Civic RR, you can't get them here. They are JDM only. Makes me wonder how true it is or at least where he lives. Or many it's a she? (I wonder is she's hot?) But they have the K20A engine from the Civic Type R and it gets a power bump. The RR puts out about 240-250 honest horses. An Si just doesn't have the stones. The Si isn't a 2.0L and while it likely has teh same iVTEC engine, it's not gonna be anywhere near as hot as a Type R let alone a Mugen RR. Oh and the Mugen RR is more than just ground effects and exhaust. He's probably right if TNT's 'vert is stock. That Civic makes more power and has a more favorable power to weight ratio. It may be "wrong wheel drive" but it'd put a hurtin' on alot of stock Mustangs out there.

That doesn't excuse the attitude though.


Posted by: TNT

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Originally Posted by John
I dunno dude. If it's an honest-to-god Mugen Civic RR, you can't get them here. They are JDM only. Makes me wonder how true it is or at least where he lives. Or many it's a she? (I wonder is she's hot?) But they have the K20A engine from the Civic Type R and it gets a power bump. The RR puts out about 240-250 honest horses. An Si just doesn't have the stones. The Si isn't a 2.0L and while it likely has teh same iVTEC engine, it's not gonna be anywhere near as hot as a Type R let alone a Mugen RR. Oh and the Mugen RR is more than just ground effects and exhaust. He's probably right if TNT's 'vert is stock. That Civic makes more power and has a more favorable power to weight ratio. It may be "wrong wheel drive" but it'd put a hurtin' on alot of stock Mustangs out there.

That doesn't excuse the attitude though.



Check the link I posted, my car isn't completely stock. I'm still verifying things the previous owner did, he gave me a huge envelope full of receipts when he sold it to me. Not sure how to verify the cam I've got a receipt for short of tearing the engine down though.


Posted by: John

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Originally Posted by TNT
Check the link I posted, my car isn't completely stock. I'm still verifying things the previous owner did, he gave me a huge envelope full of receipts when he sold it to me. Not sure how to verify the cam I've got a receipt for short of tearing the engine down though.



Yeah but dude, a Mugen RR weighs in 2733 pounds. With 240 horsepower that's about 11.4 pounds per horsepower. Your ride probably weighs in about 3400 pounds or so and that's a bit on thee generous side. With the 225 horses stock, you're at about 15.2 pounds per horsepower. Even if you bumped power up to an honest 300 horses, you'd still only be neck and neck with hi at 11.3 pounds per horsepower. You gotta be up around 350 horses to beat him and to blow his doors off, 400 or more.

I'm not trying to defend him but if he has a real, live Mugen Civic RR, that's one Honda you'd want to think twice about tangling with. I wouldn't even be able to beat him with a 12.83 pounds per horse. He'd be way out in front especially since I don't have that thing everybody calls "traction".


Posted by: LS1 Mopar Turbo

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