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Posted by: Grape Ape

Are we all using less fuel now, or is it just me? Seems everywhere I go, people are exclaiming they intend to save somehow, and cutting back driving is the only way.

Regular unleaded fuel now averages $3.80 .... Up over $.30 in only the past 30 days or so. Since our wonderfully INEPT Democrats took over, we've seen fuel prices rise a WHOLE BUNCH... I wasn't keeping track, but I recall fuel being around $2.00 a gallon and hearing many Democrats who were subsequently elected nationwide, as they told us all they would be sure to get lower fuel prices. It was a main point many campaigned on, along with "it's the war and that's the Republicans fault."

As it turns out, they lied on both counts... With the lowest approval ratings since ratings have been kept, it's going to shock me to see many of those dimwits RE-elected... But I digress...

We all have to use less fuel if we're to save money. As we've seen, we are using less fuel today than over the past several years, but prices continue to rise. Ours is THE most eco-friendly developed nation ever, and we pay for it with things like gasoline, diesel and crude oil in general. Our prices will continue to go up and the only way to stop that problem is to find a way to get our Congress to act.

We need to force them to allow companies to drill for oil in America, without the extra fines. We can stop, or at least slow the buying from other nations by using our own. Most of America's oil is apparently purchased from Canada... Well, if they have it, why don't we? We do. But instead of bringing our own up, we just hand over money.

That isn't to say we drill no oil in America, but we get way too much from foreign sources and it has been hurting our economy, as we have thought it would, based on two seperate, yet connected things... One is called "FUTURES" and the other... Well, sum it up by just using "OPEC" instead of listing the various foreign sources.

Our oil companies haven't built new refineries in America since the mid-late 1970's. Many people on this site weren't even born yet. Sadly, I'm not one of them...

Worse, I think more than 50% of those we had running in the early 80's have been closed down rather than repaired. Our refining capacity today is LESS than it was in 1981. We need that changed.

I'll take a break now... But I'm pissed about high cost of oil and the fact we keep paying it RATHER THAN using our own. We have ANWR, but the Dems have been largely blocking that since the 70's and even John McCain doesn't want to use that oil... For a friggin' carabou? WTH! We also have a fairly new find in the Dakota's and beyond, perhaps 500 BILLION BARRELS!!!! We've tapped it, but cannot properly refine with ability to keep up with our production, and all the while... We still buy from foreign sources...

Posted by: No Rice Allowed

You could always get one of these....

Posted by: Slow Nova

I'm using a lot less fuel. My mother's been out of state since February, and asked me to take care of her Honda Civic Hybrid for her. 41mpg sure beats the 17 I was getting in the truck.

But on the other hand, the gas I'm saving during my commute goes right back into my truck and boat when I go fishing.

Gas around here averages $3.99 for 87 octane. Diesel is almost $5.00.

Posted by: rodslinger

My company pays for my gas but I still try to cut back. Two weeks ago I swapped out the transmission computer out of my 2000 Dakota for one out of a 2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee. How did this help? Both vehicles have the same engine/tranny combo but the software programming in the Jeep TCM enabled the fifth gear for double overdrive.

I've seen a solid 2-3 mpg increases as the new TCM holds the torque converter lock better under light loads and the lower engine speed in general as most of my driving is highway.

Of course the bus communication is different between my truck and the Jeep TCM so it throws codes all day long but it's a work truck. I don't give a shit. I'm seeing about 15% improvement in mileage.

Posted by: An11SecRanger

All I know is somethin's gotta give pretty soon.
First, We bought the (wife's) Focus and I traded the bike for a new one. Then I parked the Ranger and put the Mustang back on the road (which turned out to be a NOT so good idea

).
Now, we've gone as far as to buy a new house, closer to work (won't be moving in until the end of next month).
Of course, renting the current house will offset the expense and that will, ultimately, be a very good thing for me as I always wanted to own more than one home.
However, I wish I wasn't compelled to buy a house by the cost of getting to work!
Yeah, I'd say this is outta hand!

Posted by: 65fairlane

I don't expect gasoline prices to fall ever again. Oil companies are making record profits, and will continue to until every single drop is gone. Congress does not care about you or me because we can't do anything for them. I suspect very few people know enough about their congressional representatives to make an informed decision come election time. As such campaign money is the most important asset to anyone holding public office.

Posted by: Grape Ape

I Just don't go out much when I don't need to for whatever... No quick runs to the grocery store(6miles each way) either. I'll go when I need several things, or I'll go spend the extra dime at the convenience store half mile away.

You know it's bad now... We all have cut back to some degree. I recently wired money through Western Union. I found it rather odd that I sat and calcuated the cost difference between DRIVING 12 miles and spending the extra $4.00 to order online... I drove, which is surprising, but it cost less and gave me a reason to get out...

NRA... I think that little car is QUITE the ugly rendition!! My bike still gets better mileage and my ExpoloDer still rides more comfortably and safely.

For falling prices... I actually do expect that, just not soon.

Posted by: 20#GSX

you know i go away for a few days on a work related project and you guys are still bitching about your slow ass bad milage american v8s! you guys need to quit whining and buy an import that gets better gas milage than your dinasour pos v8's! you know you fucked up when you can't make a 6 mile ride to the grocery store because because your shit gets such bad milage. what kind of "bike" do you have a fucking harley with a red neck rigged v8 deal or something? i bet you have a 5.0 stuffed into that piece of shit of yours don't you? i think it's time you go and change your panty liner! you guys amaze me.

Posted by: 20#GSX

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Originally Posted by Grape Ape


	Are we all using less fuel now, or is it just me? Seems everywhere I go, people are exclaiming they intend to save somehow, and cutting back driving is the only way. Regular unleaded fuel now averages $3.80 .... Up over $.30 in only the past 30 days or so. Since our wonderfully INEPT Democrats took over, we've seen fuel prices rise a WHOLE BUNCH... I wasn't keeping track, but I recall fuel being around $2.00 a gallon and hearing many Democrats who were subsequently elected nationwide, as they told us all they would be sure to get lower fuel prices. It was a main point many campaigned on, along with "it's the war and that's the Republicans fault." As it turns out, they lied on both counts... With the lowest approval ratings since ratings have been kept, it's going to shock me to see many of those dimwits RE-elected... But I digress... We all have to use less fuel if we're to save money. As we've seen, we are using less fuel today than over the past several years, but prices continue to rise. Ours is THE most eco-friendly developed nation ever, and we pay for it with things like gasoline, diesel and crude oil in general. Our prices will continue to go up and the only way to stop that problem is to find a way to get our Congress to act. We need to force them to allow companies to drill for oil in America, without the extra fines. We can stop, or at least slow the buying from other nations by using our own. Most of America's oil is apparently purchased from Canada... Well, if they have it, why don't we? We do. But instead of bringing our own up, we just hand over money. That isn't to say we drill no oil in America, but we get way too much from foreign sources and it has been hurting our economy, as we have thought it would, based on two seperate, yet connected things... One is called "FUTURES" and the other... Well, sum it up by just using "OPEC" instead of listing the various foreign sources. Our oil companies haven't built new refineries in America since the mid-late 1970's. Many people on this site weren't even born yet. Sadly, I'm not one of them... Worse, I think more than 50% of those we had running in the early 80's have been closed down rather than repaired. Our refining capacity today is LESS than it was in 1981. We need that changed. I'll take a break now... But I'm pissed about high cost of oil and the fact we keep paying it RATHER THAN using our own. We have ANWR, but the Dems have been largely blocking that since the 70's and even John McCain doesn't want to use that oil... For a friggin' carabou? WTH! We also have a fairly new find in the Dakota's and beyond, perhaps 500 BILLION BARRELS!!!! We've tapped it, but cannot properly refine with ability to keep up with our production, and all the while... We still buy from foreign sources...

don't worry once obama gets elected he will fix everything. bush has fucked up america and is stealing all the oil is why we are in this situation. i hear he's pocketing all of it. i bet gas will be back down to under $2 once obama is elected and the world see that we are once again back on track. obama 08 people!

Posted by: TNT

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Originally Posted by 20#GSX


	don't worry once obama gets elected he will fix everything. bush has fucked up america and is stealing all the oil is why we are in this situation. i hear he's pocketing all of it. i bet gas will be back down to under $2 once obama is elected and the world see that we are once again back on track. obama 08 people!

Wow, the stupidity is strong in this one.

If you actually believe that President Bush is stealing oil you need to get back on the lithium your doctor put you on. Please explain how the socialist fucktard from Chi-town is going to lower gas prices, I need a good laugh. See, there's this ting called supply and demand that is the true reason behind the rise in gas prices. India and China have recently increased the amount of oil they buy by large amounts. But the world's supply hasn't increased to cover that demand. So more people wanting the same amount of stuff means the price goes up. The surest way to lower gas prices in the US would require pumping more oil out of the ground IN the US. That means drilling in Anwar, off he coast of CA, off the coast of Texas, off the coast of FL, and everywhere else we have oil. But your false savior voted against those very actions earlier this week. So please tell me what magic wand you believe he's going to wave to accomplish the impossible.

obamba is nothing but empty rhetoric and lies.

Posted by: John

Still driving my Lightning daily.

Posted by: An11SecRanger

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Originally Posted by 20#GSX


	you know i go away for a few days on a work related project and you guys are still bitching about your slow ass bad milage american v8s!

Damn, I wish you'd get a real job and stay gone!

If your mommy wasn't paying for your gasoline, you'd be bitching too!
Slow??? I'll admit to bad fuel economy, but my junk isn't slow. It'll wax you POS and make it shine like a new dime!

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Originally Posted by 20#GSX


	buy an import that gets better gas milage than your dinasour pos v8's!

I have multiple imports. They all have only two wheels, but they're mine and they're imports.

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Originally Posted by 20#GSX


	what kind of "bike" do you have a fucking harley with a red neck rigged v8 deal or something?

I have a few bikes and zero Harleys. The bike I ride to work most days is a slow ass GSXR 750. It's a speed thing. You wouldn't understand!

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Originally Posted by 20#GSX


	i bet you have a 5.0 stuffed into that piece of shit of yours don't you?

Uh, yer point? And NOT the one on top of your head!

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Originally Posted by 20#GSX


	you guys amaze me.

I'm sure we do. Trust me, it isn't difficult!

Posted by: Mugen_K20A

Bitch, bitch, bitch!

I fill up on super every day and I get the highest octane I possibly can. Sunoco used to sell the Ultra 94 and that stuff worked awesome but they stopped making it.

I don't worry about gas too much. I'll still go a week and a half on a single tank and that includes a daily commute to work and then driving in to the city with my friends to have good time with the girls.

Glad I don't have to deal with the bullshit of riding a motorcycle everyday. My car works in the sun, the rain, the snow and pretty everywhere else and I stay nice, dry and comfortable inside of it.

There is a reason they called those crotch-rockets "organ donors" in San Diego. That's about all that's left when your stupid ass lays it down with that "speed thing" that the rest of us wouldn't know anything about.

Posted by: An11SecRanger

Let me help you better explain your situation ...

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Originally Posted by Mugen_K20A


	Bitch, bitch, bitch! I fill up on super every day and I get the highest octane I possibly can because I'm too ignorant to buy only the octane rating my engine needs ... Hell, I don't even know why there are different octane ratings! Sunoco used to sell the Ultra 94 and that stuff worked awesome, I think. But, again, I have no damn idea what the hell I'm referring to. but they stopped making it. Well, actually, they didn't stop making it. I could still buy it, if I had a clue. I don't worry about gas too much because my mommy pays for it, so why should I care? I'll still go a week and a half on a single tank and that includes a daily commute to work (but I only work part-time, so my commute doesn't require much driving and, some days, my mommy makes me walk because she says "The McDonald's is only 3 blocks away") and then driving in to the city with my friends to have good time with the girls playing hop-scotch. Too bad I can't afford a motorcycle, otherwise I'd try to ride that everyday. Then again, I'm sure I'd just crash it during the first day, because I'm clueless about that too. My car works in the sun, the rain, the snow and pretty everywhere else and I stay nice, dry and comfortable inside of it and the boogy-man can't get me because it's a "safe zone". My mommy told me so! There is a reason they called those crotch-rockets "organ donors" in San Diego. That's about all that's left when your stupid ass lays it down with that "speed thing" that the rest of us wouldn't know anything about. But, I digress. The only reason I type such things is the fact that I'm way too much of a little pussy-ass moma's boy to attempt to ride one!

THERE! That's much better!

For your information, clueless BOY ... When one "lays a bike down", it's called a "low side" and usually doesn't cause great bodily injury. We even do it, purposely, sometimes, to avoid great bodily injury, twit.
"High siding" is far more likely to cause great bodily injury and most riders avoid that at all costs.
The real problems occur when some dip-shit (like you seem to be) does something stupid and causes the rider to crash.

Posted by: TNT

DAmn right An11sec ranger. With the exception of my mother, everyone in my family rides. My sister and I both have been licensed on bikes since high school. The ONLY accident in my family happened to my father after he'd been riding for 30 years. He was stopped at a red light, feet planted, when some jackass rear ended the car stopped behind him and pushed her into his bike.

The problem is motorcycles, it's ignorant assholes like mugen boy who don't pay attention to what's going on around them.

Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by 20#GSX


	you know i go away for a few days on a work related project and you guys are still bitching about your slow ass bad milage american v8s! you guys need to quit whining and buy an import that gets better gas milage than your dinasour pos v8's! you know you fucked up when you can't make a 6 mile ride to the grocery store because because your shit gets such bad milage. what kind of "bike" do you have a fucking harley with a red neck rigged v8 deal or something? i bet you have a 5.0 stuffed into that piece of shit of yours don't you? i think it's time you go and change your panty liner! you guys amaze me.

Get a 4 popper for fuel economy? You know SHIT... And little else.

Your 4banger Eclipse probably gets less than 22mpg... My V8 powered SUV gets over 18 and HAS the ability to haul your car... Not that I would bother... My mother has a Grand Marquis... Nearly twice the zize of your car, and probably gets better mileage.

A Corvette averages over 28mpg... Then what? SMOKES cars like yours on race day! A 6yr old Camaro(no "E") Z/28 gets about 28mpg... Your car doesn't do so well, even with a 4 banger.

My motorcycles are both HonDUH's... Both get more than double the mileage your car gets, and close to 3 times that mileage... I don't shop for groceries with my motorcycle.

The "BOSS HOSS" has a GM 350... And gets better mileage, and is more powerful, than an Eclipse GSX AWD... Sound "redneck" enough for you? Not that you'll EVER be able to afford a bike like that, clearly you have no idea...

I don't own a 5.0L engine... Haven't for several yrs. The last one I did have managed over 22mpg and ran 11's on the 1/4 mile... Not that you'd understand that either.

Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by 20#GSX


	don't worry once obama gets elected he will fix everything. bush has fucked up america and is stealing all the oil is why we are in this situation. i hear he's pocketing all of it. i bet gas will be back down to under $2 once obama is elected and the world see that we are once again back on track. obama 08 people!

If Obama gets elected, folks like you will wonder where the money went...

You'll stupidly cast a vote for him anyway, since it's your 1st chance to vote and all, and you don't have any idea what's going on in the world around you... yet... And you may never. At the rate you're going now, things don't look in your favor...

The only thing you know about "stealing" is that piddly amount you get away with monthly, on your welfare check...

Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by TNT


	The problem isn't motorcycles, it's ignorant assholes like mugen boy who don't pay attention to what's going on around them.

Of couse they're paying attention... So what if that attention is being paid to the hazard switch, so they can do their "fly by" after being outrun by a real car, which didn't even know it was racing them...

Posted by: 65fairlane

I drive an escort and gas prices still piss me off. $40 to fill up an escort? I declare shenanigans.

Posted by: An11SecRanger

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Originally Posted by 65fairlane


	I drive an escort and gas prices still piss me off. $40 to fill up an escort? I declare shenanigans.

No chit!
Just a few days ago, my wife was talking about the fact, she could fill her Escort's gas tank for around $8 in the 80s!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Grape Ape

Pffft... I put $40 "worth" in my Ecploder yesterday and after about 170miles of driving, the fuel level sits about where it did when I left the house... Roughly 10gal burned, but I towed two bikes parts of the way and that goes through fuel a bit quicker. Eh, well... $40 for under 400 miles just sucks. It would be nice to see decent prices again, but I wouldn't count on that unless we rid ourselves of the majority Democrat rule in Congress and keep them from taking the White House this November.

Posted by: 65fairlane

I refuse to believe any change in power between the two parties will make a damn bit of difference. Companies in the US do whatever they want, and will continue to regardless of what happens in November.

Posted by: An11SecRanger

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Originally Posted by 65fairlane


	I refuse to believe any change in power between the two parties will make a damn bit of difference. Companies in the US do whatever they want, and will continue to regardless of what happens in November.

No argument from this section fo the peanut gallery.
EDIT:
Then again, with the dems in charge, they'll probably find a why to sue the US oil companies and further wreck our country!

Posted by: Grape Ape

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Originally Posted by 65fairlane


	I refuse to believe any change in power between the two parties will make a damn bit of difference. Companies in the US do whatever they want, and will continue to regardless of what happens in November.

I won't really argue that point, but regarding oil, at least the Republicans don't stand there and blatenly lie to the public. The Democrats based campaigns in 2006 around easing fuel prices "under this administration" as if it's entirely the Republicans fault we pay so much... The fact is, fuel was a bit over $2.22gal when they took elections in November of '06 and now it's about $3.95gal... This just shows they're not doing what they clearly said they would. And still they blame Republicans, who aren't in charge of things... According to the Dems victory chants...

One Democratic Congresswoman said last week, we should socialize... This was in session, while she was confronting oil execs about "their problem" regarding the lack of refineries, etc. She caught herself right AFTER "socialize" and sat there looking like she felt very foolish, for nearly 15 seconds... Studdering "uhh" "uhh" the whole time, then tried to replace her word with one many people don't understand. It's clear, Democrats DESIRE socialized governmental control over America... We cannot have that, unless we want to fail miserably with our economy. They want us to rely on them for everything, and we shouldn't even consider allowing that... Just look how they've handled things in the past, and that means government as a whole, not just Democrats.

Republicans openly say they cannot control oil prices... And they can't. Democrats lie about it, saying they can... Not without socialization, they can't... And that's not how our country is supposed to be run. We don't want, or need our government in control of any market, period. It spells pure doom, judging from how badly they've done in the past.

BOTH SIDES are responsible for changes they've made and changes they could and should make. Neither side wants to do much, but Republicans and NOT Democrats, support several ideas which can, over time, really help. Republicans generally support drilling in ANWR and now, ND, SD, and WY while Democrats almost across the board, oppose such drilling. Democrats look at everything based around the dollar... And how many of YOURS they can confiscate without reason. Repblicans largely support other power sources too, like wind and nuclear... Democrats almost all OPPOSE these things... And for what?

Democrats also refuse to ease the cost of building new refineries and insist on being in the middle of any such action, controlling the actions of the oil companies... INVALID! They're not allowed to do this based on our system of government, yet they constantly try to make inroads for control. The only thing I am positive Democrats want is TOTAL CONTROL!!! I can't stand it anymore... These are the people who not only try to ban guns regularly, but allowed such a ban in D.C. and didn't stand up to set the law straight after the ban was put in place... That's illegal, point blank. But they know for sure, without control over our guns, they'll never have total control over the citizens.

So while I agree many things won't change just because of who is in political power, I want Democrats to lose based on the changes they tell me they want to make, many of which are blatently illegal according to our very Constitution. Republicans aren't trying to take my guns, or change my oil prices... or availability. I was once a Democrat... No more.

Posted by: TNT

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Originally Posted by An11SecRanger


	No argument from this section fo the peanut gallery. EDIT: Then again, with the dems in charge, they'll probably find a why to sue the US oil companies and further wreck our country!

Funny you should mention lawsuits as a supposed solution to this.

The demoncrats came up with a new idea this past week. They want to start suing OPEC nations if they refuse to up oil production, drill new wells, or build refineries. In other words, they want to sue other nations for doing the same thing the demoncrats are doing here. That is their big idea on how to look like they're doing something to bring down the price of gas.

Posted by: KingofSlackers

I have been using less fuel by taking Focus' out as my demo vehicles. Averaging around 32 MPG around town. And I have a heavy foot. I have seen it get 38 MPG on the highway at 70 mph on the way to Greensboro from home... which is about an hour and 15 minute drive or so.

And I'm not driving the Mustang much because I can't keep my foot out of it.

Posted by: An11SecRanger

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Originally Posted by TNT


	Funny you should mention lawsuits as a supposed solution to this. The demoncrats came up with a new idea this past week. They want to start suing OPEC nations if they refuse to up oil production, drill new wells, or build refineries. In other words, they want to sue other nations for doing the same thing the demoncrats are doing here. That is their big idea on how to look like they're doing something to bring down the price of gas.

That's about it, too. They actually think we'll fall for this bull. It's getting on "the peoples" nerves and they're the fools who can't see what's really happening.
I don't wanna high-jack this thread with some craziness, so I may just have to start a new thread.
But, I'd say it's ridiculous that our government (not JUST the sorry-ass Dems, but they are the huge factor here) is causing a good amount of our "fuel crisis" and they know it.
If they don't allow us to use our resources (I say, go nuke) to create our own energy, how the hell do they expect other countries to care about a lawsuit? They DON"T! The dems know this action will, ultimately, be fruitless! They just hope we're too stupid to realize it.

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Originally Posted by KingofSlackers


	I have been using less fuel by taking Focus' out as my demo vehicles. Averaging around 32 MPG around town. And I have a heavy foot. I have seen it get 38 MPG on the highway at 70 mph on the way to Greensboro from home... which is about an hour and 15 minute drive or so. And I'm not driving the Mustang much because I can't keep my foot out of it.

Uh? ... Don't they become "Foci" at that point? That's lame, but I'll leave it!

Our focus gets good mileage, but I doubt 38 will happen for us. I've gotten as much as 35. The trick seems to be 70mph or less on the highways will keep it well above 30. I just can't go much slower than that for long. I drove at the way to work and back (114 miles, round trip) one day last week, then, because the fuel price better where she was and it was low on fuel ... My wife put $20 worth of gas in the car and cleared the trip meter.

The good new is, she says it was 300something and it was till over 1/4 tank.

Whatever it is, it ain't bad because I have to drive through 4 towns to get to work.

Posted by: KingofSlackers

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Originally Posted by An11SecRanger


	Uh? ... Don't they become "Foci" at that point? That's lame, but I'll leave it! Our focus gets good mileage, but I doubt 38 will happen for us. I've gotten as much as 35. The trick seems to be 70mph or less on the highways will keep it well above 30. I just can't go much slower than that for long. I drove at the way to work and back (114 miles, round trip) one day last week, then, because the fuel price better where she was and it was low on fuel ... My wife put $20 worth of gas in the car and cleared the trip meter. The good new is, she says it was 300something and it was till over 1/4 tank. Whatever it is, it ain't bad because I have to drive through 4 towns to get to work.

Hell, call them what you will but the new 08 cars are a big improvement over the last car, even though it's the same chasis. I fold my big ass up and climb in, then I am comfy and have a nice ride. I have seen some of the newer ones average better than mine, but my biggest problem is my heavy foot and my "jack-rabbit" starts and stops.

If gas keeps going up I will drop down to the new Fiesta when it gets here.

Believe it or not, we had a lady come in this past weekend in the Fusion I4 that she bought a couple of weeks ago. She showed the salesman the mpg's on the information center. She had averaged 40 MPG on her trip to and from GA.

Posted by: Grape Ape

About the lawsuit against OPEC... No legal grounds... Will be utterly ignored, unless they decide it pissed them off at OPEC, and lessen output in retaliation... Of course, I think that's what the Dems want... If they get that reaction, they'll just tell all their wonderfully intelligent supporters how the Republicans have continued to mess things up. And those "wonderfully intelligent supporters" will believe them... On accounta their so smart...

Our oil company leaders are finally standing up to the clowns on Capitol Hill though... The CEO's of 3 major oil companies, who were all called by Democrats in Congress to testify as to why they make so much and their profits(not profit-margin, mind you) have been so high, went in and reminded Congress that CONGRESS is why they make so much and why they don't spend more, though Exxon alone spent $40 BILLION last yr in research.

They accused Congress of preventing them from drilling and building new refineries... A simple study on the matter will tell us, over the past 35yrs or so, Democrats in Congress have voted NO to new refineries and new fuel sources AND new drilling, to the tune of about 90% of all Democrats in Congress... Conversely, Republicans have voted YES to all those things by about the same margin...

We need lower prices to stimulate our economy. Without low fuel prices, America suffers, period. It's not just some people who suffer, it's the country. Few people won't suffer some amount of loss because fuel prices dictate the prices of EVERYTHING we sell in America, aside from what's made and sold locally to whatever area, requiring very little driving.

Democrats want higher prices because they know it helps them gain control... Sad fact is, while America as a whole is fairly intelligent.... Enough idiots support the Demcorats to keep things going wrong. Those are the same people who stupidly think the Dems are going to save them and the world... Neither of which will ever happen. All the Dems will do is keep the people under control, and the mindless wonders of our country simply aren't intelligent enough to notice. It's a sad truth, but a truth, just the same.

Posted by: An11SecRanger

That's what I was referring to.
The Dems (almost exclusively) vote against our country by voting for things that are bad for our country, or not allowing a vote on things that would be good for our country, or voting against the proposals they the don't manage to filibuster.
Even when they were the minority, they were sometimes able to filibuster a vote that would have made a change for the better and they did.
As for fuel products The government (led mainly by the Dems) has;
1) Made it incredibly difficult to build a new refinery.
2) Made it, essentially, impossible to drill any new location
3) Raised the standards for fuel used in any vehicle used on public roads ( the states make it cost a boat load more to produce because the standards are not all the same, but the feds opened that door).
Why do the Dems (and even some Reps) do this; Power ...
They believe, if we're broke, we'll need them. And that's why they want to socialize everything (the ultimate goal). Once they get the little deal doing, there's no stopping them. Then, eventually, we'll be bankrupt (and not just monetarily) like the Soviet Union. But, the socialists believe (because they're arrogant) that won't happen. It's as if the believe they can prevent the inevitably.
On the other hand, I don't believe the pay of oil companies' CEOs can be justified either. The only reason that works is the stock market (the system that defeats itself in this way). The problem is, IMHO, the boards of directors of the companies run the show. They set the pay of the respective CEO AND themselves.
Everybody else (share-holders) just pays into the system and earns their dividends. Most of them don't even know which companies they money goes to and, therefore, they don't realize they have the power to make changes.
But (again, IMHO), those types of salaries aren't justifiable because it require the use of billions of OTHER PEOPLE'S dollars to get it done in the first place.

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