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Anyone know about the 4-cyl Turbos?
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Posted by: dead

Just curious, I'm considering a Dodge Shadow project with a Turbo III, and I'm wondering if anyone has had any experience/knows the engine's potential and such. Thanks.

Posted by: FORMULA DEATH

I think they consider the Turbo II a better engine, though you should check out Mopar Now, it's a magazine, they sound right about what you want.

Posted by: 65fairlane

Calling LS1 Mopar turbo to this thread.

Posted by: dead

Any idea if Mopar Now has a website? I found some random articles and you're right, it seems to deal with the exact stuff I'm looking for.. thanks.. just gotta try and track down the mag. i don't think I've ever seen it before.

Posted by: Giz

are you using the IROC 16 valve head?
CALLING----GLHS ANSWER THIS GUY

Giz

Posted by: rodslinger

Go to http://www.turbododge.com and browse around or ask questions. Someone there will have the info you need regarding the 16v head. A few guys are working on a Neon DIHC kit for swapping also. There are at least two guys I know of using a Neon head on a 2.2/2.5 block. Everything lines up except the oil lines. They basically just blocked off the oil feed to the head, ran a line straight to the galley and fabbed a drain tube on the backside. They are making VERY good power.

Posted by: glhs

i m pretty sure its going to be a turbo 2 rod slingers csxt is t2 go to the dodge garage like rod slinger said.great sight for 2.2 turbos. my daily driver is a glht (omni 4 door) it will run mid 13s at 3000 feet above sea level. if the shadow is t2(intercooled) will have forged rods and crank. with a few mods the stock motor can dig you into the 13s easy if your at sea level. now if somone t3ed it stock form (acording to my 2.2 bible) puts out 225 hp @6000 rpm. the t3 can handle more rpms. the t2 stops building power at 5500 rpm. the only isue with the dodge fwds is traction. i know if i could get traction it would drop it to low 13s. is it in running shape? anyways to answer your question yes and potental is big question is how much do you want to work on it?
glhs

Posted by: Giz

oh yea and they have more hp/liter than a hemi

Giz

Posted by: MadScientistMatt

Where'd it get the Turbo III? If that's indeed what it has, that would be a 224 hp DOHC motor - not original equipment on any Shadow, but it can bolt in. Those are pretty easy to spot by the red valve cover with spark plugs in the center.

The more common Turbo I and Turbo II can be pushed to over 300 hp. I happen to have one such buildup bookmarked:

http://www.lucasviking.com/shelby/a...u4/mtsissu4.htm

This project could be a lot of sick and wrong fun.

Posted by: dead

I was going to swap in a Turbo III, but upon further research I have read that the Shelby bottom end (which is on the Turbo III) is fairly unreliably, and that a Turbo II or IV would be my best bet.

In that article it clearly states to avoid Turbo I's.. however they're much easier to come across. Any advice on what I should do there? The Shadow that comes with a Turbo IV is fairly rare, though it'd be my obvious choice if I were to be able to find it. Does the Turbo I provide a decent platform to work with? I've heard they're less reliable and tough than the Turbo II's.

Posted by: glhs

donovan said the t 1 bottom end is plenty strong. you need to stay away from the light weight rods which came on the late 85 engines. im running t1 bottom end with forged pistons,and pushing 20 pounds boost. ive read where donovan says the forged crank is unesessary. i even think hes running cast on his 10 second reliant, but dont hold me to that.
mark

Posted by: dead

Did the light weight rods come on the turbo I just in 85? or 85 and all turbo I's after it? Thanks

Posted by: LS1 Mopar Turbo

T1 bottom ends are fine. You can make good power with those. I concure...Light weight rods suck. Go 87 or up. Those are the better bottom ends, you could go 2.5 common block, those are the best! They were 89 and up.

Posted by: glhs

84 and early 85 rods are the heavy t1 rods.or like mike said 87 up. if you are serious go to your local dodge dealer and see if you can get 2.2/2.5 fwd performance book 4th edition. also study donavans sight.
mark

Posted by: RacingJason

And NEVER rely on the stock rev limiter....or your rod bearings are roasted.

Posted by: moparguy89

the tubo II"s are nice my daytona has one its not the fastest car but it does its job till money allows for upgrades
15.5 @101mph in 1/4 mile most of those type cars daytona, shadow, cxt ect... handle very well

Posted by: ShelbyTurbo

The older TI bottom ends have lighter weight rods ('84-'88) but all of the TII and the later turbo cars have beefy rods, the TIII has full forged internals too. Common block engines have a stronger block also (found in '89 and up turbo cars).

Hope that helps man!

Posted by: ShelbyTurbo

Almost forgot, all Turbo II cars and later common block engines (except converted TII cars made by shelby, I think) have crossdrilled heads for better cooling

Posted by: ShelbyTurbo

And if you're planning on useing the TIII, make sure that the steel freeze plugs were replaced with aluminum ones.

Posted by: TurboXT

also. make sure you got alot of $$$$$$

Posted by: ShelbyTurbo

yeah, parts are rare, and expensive (for the TIII anyway). If it were me, I would try to find a Maserati 16V head as used on the TC, but good luck finding one of those, or someone willing to even part with a 16V TC for that matter.

The TC head is a direct swap on a TI or TII, uses the same manifolds and everything I think.

Posted by: GLH_TC 16V

The head is a direct bolt on but the manifolds (both intake and exhaust) are *completely* different. If ya need/want pics, just ask.

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