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New Porsche 911...
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Posted by: JustaV6

Yay or nay..

old skool styling meets new skool

Posted by: merczephyr

If you're paying, I'll pimp it...

Posted by: Starquest aka AndyR

ok, all I see is a bubble car... the new school stying is completely evident, but I see no old school 911 in there... unless you have a picture of the rear spinning out under braking...

Posted by: Mr. P

all of you guys would be grinning from ear to ear after one minute behind the wheel. I'd drive it.

The new cars are much improved in weight distribution due to moving a radiator, and in some cases 4WD hardware around. The new cars no longer sound like a hair dryer, due to water cooling on the flat six boxer engine. They're much more car than the old 911, even though they look similar.

I parked my 22-year old 928 beside one the other day, same color. I was shocked to see how much lower the 928 was, while the new car has an occupant cabin that is very tall by comparison. I actually liked the older style better, as it was more simple and straight forward.

Mr. P

Posted by: Starquest aka AndyR

ah, so the new school reference would be to the water cooling. well thats cool... har har.

i'm not bagging on the 911 performance, just the looks. of course it might be different for me if I didn't see at least 5 of them a day...

Posted by: 3SuperSports

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Originally Posted by Starquest aka AndyR


	of course it might be different for me if I didn't see at least 5 of them a day...

That's why we're not interested in Vette's anymore. Too damn many of 'em. We still haven't picked out a "sports" car. We are thinking we'll sell the pace car and look some more later. We drove an S2000. Pretty fun, but too quiet and as somebody said before, all the power's in the upper rpm range. We might still consider a boxter S, but I'm terrified of the maintenance costs, but I'm thinking I should investigate the older 911's also.

Oh well.

Posted by: Starquest aka AndyR

if you are looking up in that price range, then have a look at this:

http://www.1gracing.com/

the Noble m12 is an awesome car for the price, and it is street legal in the states.

plus, how many have you seen on the roads?

Posted by: Mr. P

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Originally Posted by 3SuperSports


	We might still consider a boxter S, but I'm terrified of the maintenance costs.

Terrified, eh? If you're terrified about the Boxster, you can imagine what the older car maintenance is like. I have three of em and I'm not terrified. They're no more difficult or costly than anything else.

I saw a pretty nice 350-Z convertible the other day, don't know much about em, but they sure do have a lot of "928" appearance in them. They seem to be getting good reviews too. As for seeing yourself on the street, I guess they will be "plentiful" real soon, and I'd just as soon see myself in a Boxster.

Mr. P

Posted by: 3SuperSports

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Originally Posted by Mr. P


	Terrified, eh? If you're terrified about the Boxster, you can imagine what the older car maintenance is like. I have three of em and I'm not terrified. They're no more difficult or costly than anything else. I saw a pretty nice 350-Z convertible the other day, don't know much about em, but they sure do have a lot of "928" appearance in them. They seem to be getting good reviews too. As for seeing yourself on the street, I guess they will be "plentiful" real soon, and I'd just as soon see myself in a Boxster. Mr. P

If my fear is only from a bad perception, then that's what I want to know. I keep seeing all of the Japanese sports cars, but don't have as much respect for them as I do for the Porsche. There's a dealer that keeps trying to get me to come in and test drive a 350Z, but I can't say I'm all that thrilled with thier looks. It does bug me that they have more HP than the Boxter though.

Posted by: 85snake

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Originally Posted by Starquest aka AndyR


	if you are looking up in that price range, then have a look at this: http://www.1gracing.com/ the Noble m12 is an awesome car for the price, and it is street legal in the states. plus, how many have you seen on the roads?

How much are these things going for? I checked out the site. They are pretty cool. I want one.

Posted by: Starquest aka AndyR

they are 53K without engine and drivetrain.
You can get the exact engine that they test with which is a twin turbo ford v6 that produces around 350+ hp.

personally I would get a $1000 DSM 2.0 turbo and make it push out about 350 to the wheels. but honestly if I had enough money to buy one, then I would have enough for the ford engine too, right?

Posted by: Mr. P

I can safely say, a Porsche will be running long after the Datsun, er Nissan, is totally rusted away and recycled into beer cans.

True to Nissan philosophy, they do build a GOOD VALUE for the money. They're powerful, a little tacky inside from the materials and design point of view, but still one heck of a car for the money. However, and this is what screws Nissan to the wall, their products traditionally don't last over the long haul. There are few Nissan sports cars out there still running the roads today, and there are hoards of TR-6 cars out there, for instance. When is the last time you saw a Datsun 1600 or 2000 on the road? When is the last time you even saw a 240-Z on the road. Even the newer versions are "gone".

On the other hand, there are Porsches out there with hundreds of thousands of miles on the drivetrain and chassis, purring away like nothing happened. I have 373,000 miles on my three Porsches, the oldest being a '83 and newest being a '90. The highest milage is 165,000 and that 4-cylinder car will still start and run like a new car. How's that?

All three of my cars use silicon aluminum cylinder walls, which is much harder than cast iron. It's an awesome design. Cylinder walls look like the inside of a core drilled through a concrete slab, but only in microscopic form, as the silicon crystals are actually honed to conform with the walls of the cylinder. 300,000 miles out of one is not anything to crow about, as there are several guys I know who have run that kind of milage with motors that never came apart for any reason. One had to come apart at 300,000 for a head gasket. You can see, Porsche philosophy in design and engineering is quite different from Nissan.

Nissan might have more power, but Porsche will have more power at the end of 100,00 or 200,000 miles. The Japs make a good product but if the Krauts made the same car, it would cost a lot more money, wouldn't run any faster, but would be built with perhaps less robotics, thicker body metal, better castings, and more expensive construction. The Nissan motor is the same one stamped out for their trucks and sedans. The Boxster motor is a purpose built device, and a much higher standard of build all around. Something to consider.

Mr. P

Posted by: Starquest aka AndyR

my first car was a 78 280z 2+2. the only reason I am not still driving it was from a guy in a saab running redlight. it was deemed to expensive to fix the damage so it was totaled out.
198,000 miles on it... (1 rolled the odo once, it only went up to xx,xxx) I drove that car for 7 years with no problems.

edit: funny thing is that the 280z replaced my fathers 928 because the 928 was dying hard with 130K on the odo. when he finally got rid of the 928, he got 9K for it. I learned how to drive in the 928, then my father got a Z when I got my license - he gave it to me one year later.

Posted by: Mr. P

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Originally Posted by Starquest aka AndyR


	my first car was a 78 280z 2+2. the only reason I am not still driving it was from a guy in a saab running redlight. it was deemed to expensive to fix the damage so it was totaled out. 198,000 miles on it... (1 rolled the odo once, it only went up to xx,xxx) I drove that car for 7 years with no problems. edit: funny thing is that the 280z replaced my fathers 928 because the 928 was dying hard with 130K on the odo. when he finally got rid of the 928, he got 9K for it. I learned how to drive in the 928, then my father got a Z when I got my license - he gave it to me one year later.

Good experience and reference. I'd have to say, being totally immersed into the 928 tech culture, any 928 that was "dying" at 130,000 miles was not well cared for, period. Those cars are electrically sensitive, and the funny part is the so called "sensitive" parts are really pretty simple and inexpensive, people just don't seem to know about it. Many times a $20 relay will cause people to freak-out and sell, ha ha. First thing I tell people who buy a 928, is to toss those 20-year old relays and put new ones in. It cures most of their problems right there. As for the machinery, the engine is expensive, not complex. It's a bear, designed to provide power and last a long time, but hardly complex.

Mr. P

Posted by: Sweet Seduction

if it was givin to me I'd just turn around and sell it or trade it in for an F-BODY.
and besides it looks like a pregnant jelly bean

Posted by: Starquest aka AndyR

no way sweetie. the 928 is awesome...
I just found a black on black 5 speed for sale for 20K with only 80K on the odo... if only I had the money right now, i would buy that in a heartbeat and supercharge it.

edit: my goof: 40k on the odo...
928 po

Posted by: Mr. P

Andy, 20K is waaaaaaaaaaaay too much money. 40 on the odo is special, indeed, but you can find a great driver for waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less than that.

I paid $8500 for mine, and put $2500 into a transaxle rebuild. Few people actually know what the heck it is, and most think I paid $50,000 or more for it. It runs like a bear, and presently has a measely 120K on the odo.

If you're really thinking of one, lemme know as I'm in the loop so to speak, and I can hook you up with true experts that can diagnose anything. I particularly like the '83, as it's a 4.7 liter, with all of the "S" options, and relatively simple with the SOHC design. With an increase in fuel pressure, sport exhaust, and an adjustment in timing they will run a hell of a lot faster than published data. I have a bud in Philly who is running a '83 automatic, and he has it set up for drag racing, heh heh, and he does every chance he can.

Here's the scoop on the '83 http://sis125.berkeley.edu/928/en-mrp.html

Mr. P

Posted by: LS1JAY

Hello Herbie!

Posted by: VETTKLR

Back to the top of the list you go,

Posted by: Mr. P

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Originally Posted by LS1JAY


	Hello Herbie!

Man some of this stuff is priceless. I'm having this one laminated

Posted by: MikeT

Man, where is that pic of you jumping off the hood with the SKS in your hands?

Talk about priceless!

Posted by: LS1JAY

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Originally Posted by VETTKLR


	Back to the top of the list you go,

Posted by: Starquest aka AndyR

thanks for the offer, but I am not seriously looking for one. I am just a fan of the car, so every once in a while I look at them to see if a good one is out there. yeah, its not hard to find one in decent shape - its hard to find on in decent shape with a manual transmission!

Posted by: Mr. P

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Originally Posted by MikeT


	Man, where is that pic of you jumping off the hood with the SKS in your hands? Talk about priceless!

yeah, that was a pretty crazy day, ha ha. Now you have some kind of an idea what the neighbors have to deal with

Mr. P

Posted by: Spenser

maybe, but it sure in the hell doesnt look good in yellow, I bet it would in black, if ur gonna give me one id do what ever you wanted me to though

Posted by: MikeT

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	Now you have some kind of an idea what the neighbors have to deal with

Heavily armed goat ropers.

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