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Nitrous, is it really that bad?

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Posted by: 99FRC

Why do many people frown upon juice so much? I am actually considering this option. What are your arguments agianst it?


Posted by: cswrench

People frown on it as "pussy juice" people see it as a way to "cheat" the system. you spend less and get more hp. It is also temporary. You have to keep filling up the bottle. It gets you eventually. the money spent on filling the bottle,you could have bought the mods needed to go that fast without it.


Posted by: 85snake

The only reason I like it is for "EMERGENCY USE ONLY" For EX... I line up to my friends Z06 and we take off, Im hanging with him but he is slowly pulling away. I hit the emergency thrusters and win the race. Its kind of a pride thing, I want to be faster than all my friends. I dont advertise or talk about my naaaawwwws ever. You cant even see its there unless you remove the air cleaner or pop the trunk. I dont think its a good idea to run around juicing all the time like people do. I heard its bad for your motor if you use it alot.


Posted by: Grape Ape

I used nitrous for years with no trouble to speak of. It's an item that you can budget for and use only when you want, a big plus. Unlike turbos or worse, superchargers, nitrous doesn't constantly beat on the engine and that too, is a bonus. You can adjust the hp by over 100hp with nitrous in about 1 hour on even most difficult systems. Nitrous isn't hard to keep quiet either.

Turbos are the ultimate power adder if you've got the cashflow. Superchargers(IMO) are just plain cool and they too add big power. Nitrous is less expensive initially and the rush of simply adding 100+hp whenever you want is awesome!

When you consider the money spent over the years on nitrous, vs. building with out nitrous to go as quick, it's really not possible to go as quick on motor alone as it is with nitrous, but aside from that(because nitrous isn't needed for say, 6's) when you want a daily driver that runs 10's on motor, yet you want to run 8's at the track from time to time, nitrous suddenly seems like a good idea.


Posted by: VETTKLR

I bet you do more damage to your car starting it up in the mornings than you could with a properly tuned nitrous system.



Nitrous is good, Mmmmkay?


Posted by: 99FRC

So whats an average price to fill a 15# bottle?


Posted by: VETTKLR

3.50-4.00 per pound around here.


Posted by: Grape Ape

I can get it for $2.75 all day, but I can "source purchase" for much less. That requires a license and blah blah blah...


Posted by: Mr. P

The only way to fly would be to have a large exchange bottle so you could fill your own when you wanted to.

Mr. P


Posted by: Grape Ape

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. P
The only way to fly would be to have a large exchange bottle so you could fill your own when you wanted to.

Mr. P

'round here, that requires a license.


Posted by: Mr. P

Why, what for, and how difficult is it getting a license for that?

After all, if you're out there snorting the stuff, six pounds would go a long way, huh?

I can see a big tank of the stuff like a welding supply house uses, just sitting there for a daily fillup.

Mr. P


Posted by: VETTKLR

I could see needing a license for the pharmaceutical grade nitrous, but Nitrous Plus contains 100ppm sulfur dioxide. You huff that, you're not going to get high...It would be quite the opposite, I'm sure.

We can get Nitrous Plus all day long around here.

Which reminds me, y'all keep an eye out for a nitrous refill station for me.


Posted by: Grape Ape

Here n FL, if you want to get the large bottles that are commonly used for resale, you need a simple business license. There are about 3 billion other licenses the state and local municipalities throw in for good measure as well. I had to practically fight the guys at PraxAir to fill mine last time and it's definitely not hospital grade(special license for that). They aren't concerned with you huffing it too much... They just want to make you pay to get it. I'm not sure, but I may be getting rid of the whole station soon. It has a worn Haskel(sp) pump and all needed hoses to fill(#6 fitting) bottles. I'm sure there's a bottle scale as well, but again, no decision has been made.


Posted by: Tang

Quote:
Originally Posted by Noir01GT
Why do many people frown upon juice so much?



Because they have the money to buy Turbos and Superchargers, and hate it when somebody can run just as fast with a kit that took a couple hours to install.


Posted by: MEAN_SBC

Nitrous is the only way to fly!!!!!!


Posted by: cuda66273

IMO..........
Nitrous motors are for guy's who can't build real HP.
They're almost impossible to Dial if your bracket racing.
Real hard on the motor.
Proper maintenance is a pain.
The juice is expensive, if you manage to fluke a few rounds every Sunday figure on an average of 30-$50 a day for the giggle.

Real Racers and Real Engine Builders will put you in the Ricer Boy catagory.

Now, if you want to run 6 second passes you'll need it, but forget the dial in stuff and go Top Comp or Pro Mod.

Just my opinion, I'm entitled to it under the US Constitution.


Posted by: Grape Ape

Quote:
Originally Posted by cuda66273
IMO..........
Nitrous motors are for guy's who can't build real HP.
They're almost impossible to Dial if your bracket racing.

Why is that your opinion? I see people add this kind of thing to the nitrous topic on a regular basis. Fact is, people like Bob and Bill Glidden use nitrous. Bill has a car that runs low 8's or quicker(1/4 mile) WITHOUT nitrous. Is that not "real hp" to you?
Quote:
Originally Posted by cuda66273
Real hard on the motor.

When setup properly, it's no harder on an engine than any other power adder, and a wet system is generally safer than others altogether. It merely has to be operated correctly.
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Originally Posted by cuda66273
Proper maintenance is a pain.

Hasn't been a pain to me and I've done it for 10years. Infact, with a nitrous system, there's almost no maintenance at all. Far less than a turbo or supercharged car, or one that's designed to run all motor and expect to keep up with the other variations.

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Originally Posted by cuda66273
The juice is expensive, if you manage to fluke a few rounds every Sunday figure on an average of 30-$50 a day for the giggle.

$30 buys a 10# bottle fill in many places. I don't know anyone who goes through that much in 3 passes. I hardly know anyone who uses that much in 6 passes. It's also much easier for most people to come up with $50 on a Sunday than $4,000 on any day.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cuda66273
Real Racers and Real Engine Builders will put you in the Ricer Boy catagory.

Like Bob and Bill Glidden, eh?

Quote:
Originally Posted by cuda66273
Now, if you want to run 6 second passes you'll need it, but forget the dial in stuff and go Top Comp or Pro Mod.

Like Bob or Bill Glidden once more... This points out simply, these "real racers" are not ricers and they too, agree that nitrous is a good power adder.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cuda66273
Just my opinion, I'm entitled to it under the US Constitution.

You're entitled to an opinion under God! The US Constitution has nothing to do with it. The SHARING of said opinion is what the Constitution protects.


Posted by: Tang

Doesn't Billy Glidden's car run 6's on the juice , consistently at that ?


Posted by: Tang

Quote:
Originally Posted by VETTKLR
I could see needing a license for the pharmaceutical grade nitrous, but Nitrous Plus contains 100ppm sulfur dioxide. You huff that, you're not going to get high...It would be quite the opposite, I'm sure.

We can get Nitrous Plus all day long around here.

Which reminds me, y'all keep an eye out for a nitrous refill station for me.




$729.95 http://www.zex.racenet.net/zex-station.php

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive...ll_station.html

Buy one, I know you got cash Killer, you just bought a Mystichrome Cobra, own an Excursion ,an older Cobra, and a Fox race car...lol


Posted by: Grape Ape

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tang
Doesn't Billy Glidden's car run 6's on the juice , consistently at that ?

I've seen it go 6.80's and it does run 6's often. My point wasn't about that, so I left it out. It's the idea that guys who can't go fast without nitrous are the only ones who use it that I was addressing.


Posted by: VETTKLR

I talked to my friendly, neighborhood NX dealer last night at the track...He might fix me up with an NXL system on the Cobra.

Why is it that all the Mopar guys are spray-haters?


Posted by: Tang

Quote:
Originally Posted by VETTKLR
I talked to my friendly, neighborhood NX dealer last night at the track...He might fix me up with an NXL system on the Cobra.

Why is it that all the Mopar guys are spray-haters?



Maybe they know the Mopoor parts aren't strong enough to take it ?


Posted by: Adrenalin

Wow this thread wont die lol.

Anyway, Nitrous was given a bad name because way back in the day (and I think it was the 60s) people didn't know what they were doing. Not everyone back then was educated on how to keep the fuel and timing in ratio when they used nitrous. This resulted in burnt pistons, plugs, head gaskets, blown motors etc. Remember back then there wasn't the flood of aftermarket items like there is today, so people had to just make do.

Nitrous is now very safe since more people are more educated on how to use it. When you order a nitrous system today, it comes setup and ready for your specific application. Nitrous won't kill your motor. You will kill your motor if you use nitrous the wrong way, but the same goes for any power adder and even motors with no power adder.

Nitrous can be a very effective way to get alot of horsepower cheaply and alot of fun. On average, a ten pound nitrous bottle will hold, well 10lbs, but if you do it right (pushing the limit) you can squeeze another 1-2lbs in it. Cost of nitrous per pound around here is from $2.50-$3.25 per lb. Depending on how much nitrous you use will dictate how many consistent runs you can get out of one bottle.

I recommend full drag slicks (but that is just me and some people will recommend dragradials) when you use nitrous otherwise you will just be spinning your tires and going nowhere fast. In my opinion, unless your car is set-up just right for DOT slicks, using full slicks is the way to go for consistent ETs. Nitrous hits hard off the line and produces nice 60' times.

I say if you want nitrous, get it. It is cheap at the beginning and easy to afford compared to a blower or turbo car but eventually, depending on how often you use the nitrous the cost will keep easing higher and higher because of the cost of re-filling the bottle.


Posted by: Tang

When setup with a WOT micro-switch, and a window switch, there should be no dangers in nitrous at all. The electronics will take care of everything. Got to love technology


Posted by: 99FRC

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tang
When setup with a WOT micro-switch, and a window switch, there should be no dangers in nitrous at all. The electronics will take care of everything. Got to love technology



Thats the set up I was looking at since I have a manual car.


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