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What the Brits think of the C6 Vette..

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Posted by: EvilLS1

http://www.sleepy-fish.com/sleepy/T...Corvette_lo.wmv

Listening to those dorks just makes me want one even more.



Posted by: LS1JAY

Those guys are losers anyway!



Posted by: MikeT

I suppose they would have been happier if it was all metal and caught fire when you turned on the headlights.



Posted by: LS1JAY

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeT
I suppose they would have been happier if it was all metal and caught fire when you turned on the headlights.

I'm sure that it would have atleast helped!



Posted by: GMR

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeT
I suppose they would have been happier if it was all metal and caught fire when you turned on the headlights.





LS



Posted by: Carpet_Liquer

If I had the HOUR it took to download it, I would!!!



Posted by: bigjhaire

ahh there a bunch of right basterds...........f--k the brits



Posted by: No Rice Allowed

I'm curious if our state's emission was still attached to that Vette, because most of the cars over seas don't carry our standard do they? That Vette may be that much faster if so....At least get someone here who knows how to drive it.....I believe that Vette could do way better than their attempt with it...



Posted by: MikeT

Quote:
I believe that Vette could do way better than their attempt with it...



Ya, its pretty obvious they wern't trying to make it look good.



Posted by: IROC_ZO6

naaa, they are just pussys that dont know how to drive manly cars



Posted by: Mr. P

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeT
Ya, its pretty obvious they wern't trying to make it look good.



Well I didn't download due to being on dialup at the moment, but, I don't know what kind of a marketing program it's going to take to convince people "this" headlight scheme looks good. It sure takes a back seat to the former Vette, and to just about everything the Brits are doing in the high performance department. The Brits may be stuffy, but they've been building cars that can eat Vettes since before Vettes were Vettes. Of course they cost a hell of a lot more, but they know very well how to do it, as many of the F1 chassis, some of the best GT and road racing designs, and engines (Cosworth) have come from the Isles.

Mr. P



Posted by: 99FRC

Well they wanted to make the car look bad from the start. One thing I have found is that it is very hard to jump in car for the first time and drive it to the vehicles full potential. It took a good 30 runs to become familar with launching my C5. Plus the track lap the guy made was awfull, he spent more time off the track... Dillholes, thats why we came over here a long time ago.



Posted by: Mr. P

Well I just saw the video, and what a chuckle. The Brits are as smug and snobbish as ever about cars, but unfortunately, they make some valid points even if it hurts to have to listen to them.

The interior of the Vette, and most American cars, is pretty pathetic. Americans are accustomed to American design, and to some degree we’re numbed into thinking plastic is good. The Japs know it, and they’re selling it back to us as fast as we’ll buy it. It’s cheap. The Brits are masters of understated elegance, and they’ve been trumping everyone for the last 75 years with style, and with performance too. The Germans and Italians hit it out of the park every now and then, but show me one interior in an American car that isn’t cheap plastic, or some 1950’s or 60’s looking toy-like industrial design, that can hold a candle to the best of what has been coming out of GB over and over again for decades.

They use real wood around the instrument clusters, it’s really the only way to fly. The Italians have inserted their beautiful Jaeger instruments into simple painted metal dashboards, and even that comes off as downright beautiful, because the gauges are so awesome. It is so superior than looking at an expensive injection molded dashboard. The Brits use leather like it should be used, while we use it like we think it needs to show up on the spec sheet as an option. The Brits use “REAL GLASS” in their gauges, with gunmetal blued or chome rings. What do we use………..”cheap plastic of course”, and it’s very easy for them to laugh at a Vette.

The Americans know how to make a 2-valve V8 run well, but so does everyone else. The TVR is an example. http://www.steve-p.com/sounds/griff.wav The slow model they used in the video outran the Vette with a 40-year old design that came from America after we didn’t think it was any good any more, and they have a home-built 400-hp six cylinder that will do better than that one did. They have a 12 that will outdo that, and the 450-hp Aston will eat just about anything. That’s why they can be so smug, because those snobs from GB know more about building fine cars than GM does. GM knows more about building them fast and cheap than most anyone else.

Would I like a Vette, sure. I have a lot of respect for the Corvette. I’d love to play around with one, but I’d sell it for something else very soon. I’d get a Porsche, a TVR, a Panoz, or something that had less “widette polyester count”, more leather and wood factor, and less ostentatious “gold chain NBA flash”.

The Vette has, for the last 20-years, been too much of a “disco queen” girls car for me, and in some cases, a fat girls car. You see blonde pony tails driving them everywhere, and many of them are older women, what the hell??. Just put it in “D”, turn up the AC, and off they go. Too much of a flashy “gold chain” look for me, but fast and generally a great engineering package, if they could just find (and kill) the guy who won’t let them put a world class interior in what could be a true world class car. The mechanicals will always get a Corvette on the “short list” but I don’t recall ever seeing one on the top of the list. I’m sure there are many men the governor of Calliefornia would approve of, driving Vettes too.

One thing for sure, the Brits know how to do a frigging headlight. GM doesn’t. I would find (and kill) the guy who did the headlights too (relax, this is just a figure of speech).

By comparison, the Vette headlight looks like a gay Japanese tourist. Hey, you guys really want to know what I think????


GM styling is at the total mercy of whoever happens to be politically in charge at the moment. It’s just one dynasty after another, and the American buying publilc is the reason we don’t have better interior designs. We buy the shit by the truckload. Europeans won’t.

The new Vette has a bit of that “OOOooohhhh YEaaaahhhh” Cadillac pointed prow corporate design studio crap someone found on the cutting room floor, showing through in the new Vette chin spoiler, and it looks out of place on an otherwise rounded body. Why else would it be there on a rounded body, other than the fact that the same gay stylist who did the angular Cadillac design got to take a shot at the Corvette too, and he left his mark. Nice piece of crap, guy. Otherwise, you would never in a 100-years see that element on that car.

The headlights are absolutely pitiful. Anyone looking for a new Vette, my advice is get one off the showroom now before they change over to this new design. The one in the showrooms right now, is probably going to be thought of as the best of the best for quite a while, even if the new ugly duckling is faster. If this was a stock graph on the NY Stock Exchange, it would show a steep downward slide starting right now and the front end styling is totally the reason, GM blew it, end of story.

Mr. P
















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Posted by: LS1 Mopar Turbo

Well find me something for 45,000 bucks that is better. END OF STORY.



Posted by: LS1 Mopar Turbo

Oh yeah so who do you see driving the high dollar german and british "cars" in washington state. Old fats guys who can't get laid, even with a cool car...



Posted by: LS1 Mopar Turbo

Wood belongs in a forest, not in a car. I hate wood grain. No pop up headlights is good. No motors, less weight (not much) Less maintenance. Tell me that the older SBC vettes aren't reliable, give me a break. If a Porchse is anything like my Volkswagen for build quality and reliability you can keep it. So it has a cheap interior. So it isn't perfect, but it is cheap to own and cheap to maintain.
Never heard anyone say that about the high dollar imports.



Posted by: VETTKLR

Someone post what those limey goofballs have to say about the Ford GT.



Posted by: GMR

Quote:
Originally Posted by VETTKLR
Someone post what those limey goofballs have to say about the Ford GT.


hehe, prolly somthing along the lines of, "If we wanted so much torque, we would of bought a dump truck, duurrrr"

LS



Posted by: Starquest aka AndyR

Actually, I was going to mention the GT... isn't the GT the best car for the states right now. not the vette? plus we have the viper as well... and the cobra...

the brits are just down on the US right now cause we kick ass and they dont.



Posted by: GMR

Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilLS1
If they didn't care for the Vette I doubt they'll like the Cobra or Viper either.


yeah, just think what they would say about an Fbody, pretty much the same bout the Cobra. The Viper, they would proll bitch about the same as the Vette. I saw the one were they drove the GTO, they liked it, but I guess it doesnt surprise me, as the only american parts in that is Drivetrain. And they werent complaining about that.

LS



Posted by: Mr. P

Quote:
Originally Posted by LS1 Mopar Turbo
Well find me something for 45,000 bucks that is better. END OF STORY.



Yeah, I know, but at least for that kind of money you would think they could put a dashboard in one that would look as good as a $45,000 volvo sedan, right?????


Hey, don't jump my case, I'm not the one who is paying for all those fat chicks to drive Corvettes, ha ha. I'm the one driving the 20-year old German aluminum, you know, the kind you fix yourself and drive fast.

When I see a fat chick in a Vette, it just kinda looks right, what more can I say????

Mr. P



Posted by: No Rice Allowed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. P
Well I just saw the video, and what a chuckle. The Brits are as smug and snobbish as ever about cars, but unfortunately, they make some valid points even if it hurts to have to listen to them.

The interior of the Vette, and most American cars, is pretty pathetic. Americans are accustomed to American design, and to some degree we’re numbed into thinking plastic is good. The Japs know it, and they’re selling it back to us as fast as we’ll buy it. It’s cheap. The Brits are masters of understated elegance, and they’ve been trumping everyone for the last 75 years with style, and with performance too. The Germans and Italians hit it out of the park every now and then, but show me one interior in an American car that isn’t cheap plastic, or some 1950’s or 60’s looking toy-like industrial design, that can hold a candle to the best of what has been coming out of GB over and over again for decades.

They use real wood around the instrument clusters, it’s really the only way to fly. The Italians have inserted their beautiful Jaeger instruments into simple painted metal dashboards, and even that comes off as downright beautiful, because the gauges are so awesome. It is so superior than looking at an expensive injection molded dashboard. The Brits use leather like it should be used, while we use it like we think it needs to show up on the spec sheet as an option. The Brits use “REAL GLASS” in their gauges, with gunmetal blued or chome rings. What do we use………..”cheap plastic of course”, and it’s very easy for them to laugh at a Vette.

The Americans know how to make a 2-valve V8 run well, but so does everyone else. The TVR is an example. http://www.steve-p.com/sounds/griff.wav The slow model they used in the video outran the Vette with a 40-year old design that came from America after we didn’t think it was any good any more, and they have a home-built 400-hp six cylinder that will do better than that one did. They have a 12 that will outdo that, and the 450-hp Aston will eat just about anything. That’s why they can be so smug, because those snobs from GB know more about building fine cars than GM does. GM knows more about building them fast and cheap than most anyone else.

Would I like a Vette, sure. I have a lot of respect for the Corvette. I’d love to play around with one, but I’d sell it for something else very soon. I’d get a Porsche, a TVR, a Panoz, or something that had less “widette polyester count”, more leather and wood factor, and less ostentatious “gold chain NBA flash”.

The Vette has, for the last 20-years, been too much of a “disco queen” girls car for me, and in some cases, a fat girls car. You see blonde pony tails driving them everywhere, and many of them are older women, what the hell??. Just put it in “D”, turn up the AC, and off they go. Too much of a flashy “gold chain” look for me, but fast and generally a great engineering package, if they could just find (and kill) the guy who won’t let them put a world class interior in what could be a true world class car. The mechanicals will always get a Corvette on the “short list” but I don’t recall ever seeing one on the top of the list. I’m sure there are many men the governor of Calliefornia would approve of, driving Vettes too.

One thing for sure, the Brits know how to do a frigging headlight. GM doesn’t. I would find (and kill) the guy who did the headlights too (relax, this is just a figure of speech).

By comparison, the Vette headlight looks like a gay Japanese tourist. Hey, you guys really want to know what I think????


GM styling is at the total mercy of whoever happens to be politically in charge at the moment. It’s just one dynasty after another, and the American buying publilc is the reason we don’t have better interior designs. We buy the shit by the truckload. Europeans won’t.

The new Vette has a bit of that “OOOooohhhh YEaaaahhhh” Cadillac pointed prow corporate design studio crap someone found on the cutting room floor, showing through in the new Vette chin spoiler, and it looks out of place on an otherwise rounded body. Why else would it be there on a rounded body, other than the fact that the same gay stylist who did the angular Cadillac design got to take a shot at the Corvette too, and he left his mark. Nice piece of crap, guy. Otherwise, you would never in a 100-years see that element on that car.

The headlights are absolutely pitiful. Anyone looking for a new Vette, my advice is get one off the showroom now before they change over to this new design. The one in the showrooms right now, is probably going to be thought of as the best of the best for quite a while, even if the new ugly duckling is faster. If this was a stock graph on the NY Stock Exchange, it would show a steep downward slide starting right now and the front end styling is totally the reason, GM blew it, end of story.

Mr. P
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Bottom line Mr. P...no matter what many may think of it...Plastic molds (or plastic in general) can last longer......Leather and wood deteriorate, metal corrodes.......glass breaks...Ever seen a music CD made of wood or glass? Americans are smart for going plastic, it's cheap, (in some cases) lightweight compared to metal or wood and it holds up better than the alternative.....Everything eventually goes bad...but I believe plastic to be the last....



Posted by: Mr. P

Ooooops, hey Mike.

Is it politically, socially, and morally correct to say "FAT CHICK" on the forum? I know there are some people here that live with fat chicks, or lust after fat chicks, no names need be mentioned. :flip: Sorry if I offended anyone.

Mr. P


























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Posted by: MikeT

P dude that volvo interior is horrible! Too many buttons! And how are you supposed to watch the road with a damn video screen poping out of the dash? Corvettes are cars meant to be driven hard, and you can't do that with too many distractions going on.



Posted by: No Rice Allowed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. P
Ooooops, hey Mike.

Is it politically, socially, and morally correct to say "FAT CHICK" on the forum? I know there are some people here that live with fat chicks, or lust after fat chicks, no names need be mentioned. :flip: Sorry if I offended anyone.

Mr. P

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What's wrong with fat chicks??? They need a whole lotta lovin' too.....



Posted by: Mr. P

Quote:
Originally Posted by No Rice Allowed
Bottom line Mr. P...no matter what many may think of it...Plastic molds (or plastic in general) can last longer......Leather and wood deteriorate, metal corrodes.......glass breaks...Ever seen a music CD made of wood or glass? Americans are smart for going plastic, it's cheap, (in some cases) lightweight compared to metal or wood and it holds up better than the alternative.....Everything eventually goes bad...but I believe plastic to be the last....



Hey, NRA,

you may be right on every count, however, one wipe with a paper towel like you find at the gas stations, and the plastic dashboard is forever more, scratched like a cheap piece of plastic. The cars that I've had with real glass dials, never ever had one break, and I have one of those dials on my bookshelf at home, still looking good thirty years after I bent the car in half.

Ever see a cheap plastic dashboard cracked??? They're everywhere. Given a bit of care, leather can last a lifetime.

You sure got the "cheap" part right. GM can't slow down long enough to build something that takes some time, and human hands. If it doesn't come out of a robotic controlled milling or casting machine, or a plastic vac form, it just can't be done at GM. You would think they could teach those robots to put a glass lens into a round dial though.

ha ha

Mr. P



Posted by: MikeT

Nothin wrong with fat chicks. shade in the summer and warmth in the winter. Nothing wrong with plastic either. As most of us can't afford a car made from hand crafted wood.



Posted by: No Rice Allowed

Glass can last longer, but it too can be scratched.....and forget about accidentally dropping it.....Transparent aluminum is the future....



Posted by: Mr. P

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeT
Nothin wrong with fat chicks. shade in the summer and warmth in the winter. Nothing wrong with plastic either. As most of us can't afford a car made from hand crafted wood.



Ahhhh, fat chicks and plastic, it doesn't get much better than this!

Actually, I bought a car for $1400 that had glass dials. My Porsches all have plastic, but at least they are traditional round dials and the plastic is almost not noticed due to the angle, etc. The TVR has beautiful round glass dials and a true walnut dashboard, not veneer, but the real deal. All it would take is some goober on the assembly line sitting there with a weed in his mouth, looking at the lumber as it came in. When he found one with a bullet hole, he could just drag it off the line. How tough is that for GM??? Yeah yeah, they want some guy with a suit and tie to make that call. (from the accounting dept)

Hey Mike, give a fat chick a break today, okay>|?

Mr. P



Posted by: MikeT

Mr.P you from england?



Posted by: IROC_ZO6

owh, the shiftah is horribal, Waaa waaa, i cahnt drihve worht a shit but the cah is still fastah than a 911.

fucking pussies, funny how the holden and the vette get shit about the shifting, but the gto (that has the same trans) gets praised... loosers.



Posted by: Mr. P

Quote:
Originally Posted by IROC_ZO6
owh, the shiftah is horribal, Waaa waaa, i cahnt drihve worht a shit but the cah is still fastah than a 911.

fucking pussies, funny how the holden and the vette get shit about the shifting, but the gto (that has the same trans) gets praised... loosers.



ha ha ha, yeah, the guy really is a Royal Puss. He may as well put on a set of tails and parade around with a top hat. Nothing a good smack in the head won't fix. Besides being a puss, however, I have to admit he does make some points, but sure doesn't win any friends over on this side of the pond. He's undoubtedly playing to the home audience.

Mr. P



Posted by: IROC_ZO6

actually, i looked at the video again, and went outside and beat on the TA dash a couple of times, it didnt move around nearly as much as that c6 did. WTF??? and the rear of the C6 flexes bad too... but when did chevy go back to a leaf spring on the vette? my buddys 92 had coilovers.



Posted by: VETTKLR

Dude, I just found a car that those headlights compliment nicely:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...6&category=6472



Posted by: MikeT

and a steal at only $400k!



Posted by: bigjhaire

i think they should test drive the 1986 corvette calloway........thats right 1986 .....they dont have anything that can touch that....




the brits can kiss my fargen icehole....



Posted by: GMR

Quote:
Originally Posted by IROC_ZO6
actually, i looked at the video again, and went outside and beat on the TA dash a couple of times, it didnt move around nearly as much as that c6 did. WTF??? and the rear of the C6 flexes bad too... but when did chevy go back to a leaf spring on the vette? my buddys 92 had coilovers.



Theyve always had leaf springs. The IRS ones at least. My cuz's C4 has them in the front and back transversly mounted. So does the C5, composite materials though. Bottom line, it works, very well. Its not too hard to put coilovers on it though.
And on the plastic thing, if memory serves me right our old 944 had some pastic on the guages, it was weird, convex with a little black plastic cover at the tip of the plastic. I personaly prefer plastic over glass and wood. And forget carbon fiber. Some aluminum would be nice. But thats why we pay 45K instead of 100+k that you would for a Ferrari, Porshce whatever. And we can still be just as fast or faster. Sure some Volvos or whatever can have them for the same price, but you wont see them outlapping most everything else on the track.

LS



Posted by: MadScientistMatt

Chiming in a bit late, and didn't have the time to download the video on a dail-up. But I figure I might as well reply to some of the arguements over the interior quality.

First off, I think that criticizing a Corvette for not having a luxury interior is sort of like criticizing a Jeep Wrangler for lousy performance on a skidpad. The 'Vette just isn't a luxury car. Its mission is simply to haul ass. Well, admittedly, for some its mission is to be a status symbol, but in that case it's a car to be seen in, or perhaps bring an exotic dancer home from the local gentleman's club in (as opposed to picking up strippers at the nudie bar like a Camaro or Mustang driver might do). It doesn't really need an upscale interior for its mission. It's too small to be the status symbol you use to bring several business clients to lunch in.

But I've got to agree with P here that plastic is cheap. Plastic does indeed fall apart - you should have seen what 30 years of heat and sunlight did to the dash vents on my Dart. Turned them from red to white and left them about the consistancy of soda crackers. The (admittedly not nearly that old) wooden dash on my Spitfire, by contrast, cleaned up with some lemon oil and is now looking as good as new. I do have to question why they used something that flamable so close to a bunch of Lucas wiring though.

The way I see it, leather, wood, and metal are the materials to use if you want an interior to look upscale. I've sometimes been to car shows and scratched my head about why people think Japanese plastic interiors are any better than American ones. They both look like cheap plastic compared to my Dart's interior (dominated by exposed metal with plastic and vinyl accents) or my Spitfire's (domiated by a dashboard made of real wood). If I were going to list materials for interior trim in order of apparent cheapness, from the worst to the best, it'd look something like this:

1. Perfectly smooth, untextured plastic.
2. Fake anything. Whether it's fake carbon fiber, fake wood, fake metal, etc. - it always manages to look fake and cheasy.
3. Unapologetic plastic or vinyl. Something with at least some level of texturing.
4. Fabrics.
5. Genuine metal.
6. Genuine wood or leather.

I usually don't object to a car that stays above the 1's and 2's, and I've noticed that these days few cars seem to put that much effort into using large amounts of wood, metal, or leather unless they get uber-expensive. Leather I can understand, but I've got to wonder why we seldom see low-priced cars decorated with wood or metal. It's not like those are particularly expensive, just solid-feeling.



Posted by: Mr. P


Hey NRA, ya got to admit, thaaat’s some good looking plaaastic, eh? Only the best for a world-beater.





http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/1229...4.jpg&WIDTH=640

From some angles, the new Vette is better looking than others :gay: :gay: Can anyone say “gay headlights”????



Posted by: No Rice Allowed

I have to disagree on this Matt...Leather, wood and metal is upscale to a point...but, you can't make a futuristic looking dash out of wood or metal and hope to maintain a certain weight or cost....The cost and time would be way to much for manufactures to even dream it up.....Plastic has this area to a tee....I know flat dashes are appealing, race car dashes if you will, but luxury??? Flat dashes just don't have the appeal like one molded to surround you as those made of plastic and vinyl does.....30 years is a long time for those vents to hold up.....Now why do you suppose plastic was used then, instead of wood? Maybe because of the longevity, flexibility, weight or cost? I believe plastic has come along way since the medieval times of automobiles...Wood to me doesn't belong in or around a car, it belongs in a house or on a house.....but then again to really maintain it, many owners place plastic weather strippings or siding over it, just for added protection and measure....



Posted by: No Rice Allowed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. P

Hey NRA, ya got to admit, thaaat’s some good looking plaaastic, eh? Only the best for a world-beater.





http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/1229...4.jpg&WIDTH=640

From some angles, the new Vette is better looking than others :gay: :gay: Can anyone say “gay headlights”????




a class mold above alot others I've seen...



Posted by: StoneFox

Quote:
Originally Posted by No Rice Allowed
Wood to me doesn't belong in or around a car, it belongs in a house or on a house.....but then again to really maintain it, many owners place plastic weather strippings or siding over it, just for added protection and measure....



In my experience all that plastic siding does is hold moisture and make your house rot around you



Posted by: No Rice Allowed

Quote:
Originally Posted by 89StoneFox
In my experience all that plastic siding does is hold moisture and make your house rot around you



See, wood doesn't hold up like plastic...lol...but, seriously though...Someone didn't place it in right.....pretreat the wood first and make sure the siding is secure to the wood, not loose or has openings allowing water to seep in....done right it'll last for a long time....One of the objectives for siding is, to keep moisture out.....



Posted by: MikeT

Shit since wood is so damn good I'm gonna build me a car outta those old 2x4's and broken up pallets behind the shed.

IMO wood is great in luxury car. But it just dosen't seem right in a performance car.



Posted by: Mr. P

Quote:
Originally Posted by 89StoneFox
In my experience all that plastic siding does is hold moisture and make your house look cheap as a Vette


Hmmmmm, not politically sensitive.




I never said it required leather, wood, and glass to make a great interior, I'm just saying the best ones I've seen use at least two of these materials, and here's the main point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>and......they do it in good taste and execution


Just using "wood" is no assurance it's not going to look as cheap as a toy. As for "not being able to do a futuristic interior with leather", wow, has anyone seen the new Aston Martin or TVR interiors, I don't know how they do it, but those leather interiors are waaaay out there.

Just using leather is no assurance. Using glass on the dials really is a touch of class, but not really required, but it sure is a nice feature.


It's the material, and the execution. It's how it is used, and if someone really sweated the "true" details, or just played around with high dollar renderings until they put the board of directors to sleep. The Vette interior has some nice features, but by comparison with other cars posing as "world class" equipment, it sure doesn't come up first, and it should. There should be no reason why GM can't make a point and focus on turning out an interior that just screams class. This can be done in plastic, but leather and wood can help. Even the most spartan metal interior, or leather covered Cobra dashboard, can be made elegant, purposeful, and darn good looking.

My main beef with GM, is the fact that you jump in the car, look around, and always come away with the feeling that they could have done better if they just tried a bit harder. Their standard is just too low. Whoever has been camping in the design studio administrative office needs to be fired, let them go to Japan, and get someone from UK in there who understands what a kick-ass high performance interior is supposed to look like. Then clean up the gimicky exterior ques, and stand back and watch sales go out the roof.

In Dallas I was dumbfounded at all the frigging Porsches on the road,y all were new. People will apparently pay too much for a good execution and good quality build. Corvette does not need to look like the "cheap American sports car" when parked next to a Porsche, BMW M-car, Aston, Ferrari, or any number of Jaguars, Alfas, Maseratis, Fords, you name it. There's nothing I would like more, than to see those stuffy snobs in UK have to eat their words, and review a new Vette that they had to admit, had a nicer interior than what they're turning out, ha ha ha. Fuck em, they were a couple of real pusses. I'd like to mess up their hair and smack em around with the back of my hand, ha haha, that's all it would take.

Mr. P












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Posted by: Starquest aka AndyR

one thing that no one has really mentioned yet... weight.

wood is heavy
glass is heavy
leather is heavy

all of those items that might make the interior look better, also make the interior heavier.

so what do you want? a lighter car or a nicer car?



Posted by: Mr. P

Other people seem to have found a way to do it.

The point is, you really don't have to use wood, or glass. Leather is probably a requirement at least for seats. They could use a rubberized material that had nicer tactile features and a matt finish, for instance, around the dash, instead of that ticky tacky materal that just rings of plastic when you ding it with your finger nails.

It's the execution. Corporate GM doesn't seem to be able to pull away from the "stylized" formula they've been using on all their cars. Give the job to someone else to do, and they could learn something at GM. In the end, I doubt if the added weight for good taste and good execution, would ever show up on the performance test or scales.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Vette. I like the older style better than the latest one. If I had to pick, I'd pick the older style even if the new one had more performance, because it's that much of a "turn off" for me. It would be a rare occasion that I or anyone else would ever be able to see the difference in performance anyway.

Mr. P



Posted by: Mr. P

http://www.star-motoring.com/sendbi...3.jpg&width=500
Here's just one of hundreds of examples of glass, leather, and wood, some designs looking better than others, but what you don't see here is PLASTIC.

This happens to be the TVR interior that outran the Vette, so weight didn't appear to be a factor.

I'd much rather look at this dashboard and interior every time I got into the car, than the plastic-fantastic-wonder from the "GM styling salon".


Mr. P



Posted by: LS1 Mopar Turbo

Quote:
Originally Posted by IROC_ZO6
actually, i looked at the video again, and went outside and beat on the TA dash a couple of times, it didnt move around nearly as much as that c6 did. WTF??? and the rear of the C6 flexes bad too... but when did chevy go back to a leaf spring on the vette? my buddys 92 had coilovers.


Your buddies 92 had coil overs because someone put them on there. Otherswise it is the same rearend as a 91 Two shocks, a torque arm, ONE BIG leaf spring. Have been like that for a very very very long time.



Posted by: No Rice Allowed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. P
http://www.star-motoring.com/sendbi...3.jpg&width=500
Here's just one of hundreds of examples of glass, leather, and wood, some designs looking better than others, but what you don't see here is PLASTIC.

Mr. P




I spotted at least four things that are plastic...The radio face and buttons, the air vent, the button on the emergency brake and the button on the side of the gear shifter console..... now what I'm not sure of that may be plastic is the dash underneath leather or is that vinyl trim and the gear shifter console....


I agree that plastic can be molded to look cheap, but done right it can be very effective in overall styling......



Posted by: skeezix

The whole thing I get from this;


-they talk about leafs and about how ancient they are, but did these bozos ever stop to think about the fact that they're TRANSVERSE? Independent rear susp, strength and durability of a leaf? Gee, I can't even imagine how much that improves the suspension.

-Plastic, plastic, plastic! Yes! Thank you! We've heard enough! Plastic has give to it, you don't have to keep wacking the furniture polish to it every time you turn around, and it doesn't rot!

-3rd in a drag race against a HONDUH? Let's see, 1st, 2nd,....4th..oops! I mean 3rd...


So, according to them, our cars have too much plastic, ancient technology and less class then their creme de la creme. Funny how they don't talk about Lucas, jag v-12's or 4cyl. copcars.

Aww shit, they're just jealous that's all!



Posted by: Mr. P

Quote:
Originally Posted by No Rice Allowed
I spotted at least four things that are plastic...The radio face and buttons, the air vent, the button on the emergency brake and the button on the side of the gear shifter console..... now what I'm not sure of that may be plastic is the dash underneath leather or is that vinyl trim and the gear shifter console....


I agree that plastic can be molded to look cheap, but done right it can be very effective in overall styling......



I stand corrected, good eye!

Mr. P



Posted by: MadScientistMatt

Quote:
Originally Posted by No Rice Allowed
I have to disagree on this Matt...Leather, wood and metal is upscale to a point...but, you can't make a futuristic looking dash out of wood or metal and hope to maintain a certain weight or cost....The cost and time would be way to much for manufactures to even dream it up.....