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Posted by: Tang

Is the SKS's good guns ? I know they can be snagged pretty cheap, and I found a sweet ass Fiberglass stock for one in Cabellas. Along with some 10,20 & 30 round kits.

Posted by: MikeT

SKS's are excellent guns. As simple and reliable as an AK, and generally a little more accurate.

Beware though, the detachable mags ABSOLUTLY SUCK! They are a pain in the ass to change and they don't feed well. And that goes for all of them. I've seen people ask a million times about them on other messageboards and very few people have had good luck with them.

The ONLY time I've seen an SKS jam at the range was when a guy was using a bunch of detachable mags. Also note that the detachables are illegal on some SKS's. The detachables also don't have the bolt hold open the stock one does.

With practice you can load it w/ 10 round strippers much faster then you can change a mag. If you abosolutly need more then 10 rounds you can get 20round fix magazines. Those are legal and work fine. Its just that they are hard to find.

If you're dead set on detachable mags look for an SKS-D. Those are norincos machined from the factory to take AK mags. They are kinda hard to find and run about $200-300. At which point you could get an AK instead.

The stock you found was it the ATI dragunov stock? Or the monte carlo? I was considering getting the dragunov, till I heard they are heavier than the factory wood stock. My 59/66 is kinda heavy because it has the bayonette and grenade launcher. I don't want it to be any heavier. Choate also makes a dragunov stock that supposed to be lighter and better quality than ATI's but its a bit more expensive.

Depending on how much you want to spend I'd definatly reccomend williams fire sights. I just got my set last week and damn they are sweet!
http://www.williamsgunsight.com/rifle1.htm

In all they are great guns. However, if you plan on doing alot of accesorizing or really want 30round mags; you're better off spending an extra $100 or so for a cheap AK.

BTW what kind of SKS are you looking at? And for how much.

Oh ya almost forgot. If you get an SKS or AK, do yourself a favor and buy a bunch of the yugo surplus 7.62x39 on 10 round strippers. THIS IS REALLY GOOD AMMO! And its cheap, plus it comes on stripper clips!

I bought a few hundered rounds and will buy more soon.

http://www.ammoman.com/webstore_762x39.htm

http://www.surplusrifle.com/sks/index.asp
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/...usrifle?forum=9

hope that helps

Posted by: Tang

Heres you a stock Mike http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...requestid=11935

The drgunov is the one I was talking about.

This should bring up the whole list of tactical/military accesories that they have. They have a 4x25 scope and mount for an SKS for $54. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...MainCatcat20712

Posted by: Tang

Honestly, what I want is an AR-15 or an M4, But thats a pricey piece.

Posted by: Mr. P

Hey Evil,

I'm worried about Mike. He goes for months and months with nothing but one-liners.

Then you drag a $20 bill through a trailer park on a string and, oops, I mean, then you just mention the "SKS" and the guy pours his heart out????

What gives???? I think he's out there on the tip of the diving board, bouncing high right now, but there's nothing in the pool except a concrete bottom.

Mr. P

Posted by: Mr. P

Yeah, but look at that signature now! The guy has problems, and a lot more than acne.

Mr. P

Posted by: Tang

I knew he would be a good source of SKS info. I wouldnt midn having an AK with a 75 round drum either. Cool piece to "oooooooo" your friends with.

Posted by: Mr. P

Well the SKS and AK (or MAK variants) all use the same ammo, but of course, they are differnt guns. They represent a lot of value for the money, are fun to shoot, don't kick much at all, and there is plenty of cheap ammo around at gun shows, mostly from China.

You can buy a bran new one from Norinco (SKS or MAK), at least you could a while back. I have one of each in the house for protection against ground squirrels. You never know when they're going to organize and try to take over the ranch. As for clips, I have several 30-round clips for the AK, and also surprisingly enough, I also have one for the SKS, although the standard 5-round clip is generally adequate. Wear ear protection.

:-)

Mr. P

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Posted by: MikeT

Tang, more bad news

The reciever cover scope mounts tend to not hold center. The cover just isn't a solid point for a mount unless you shim it or otherwise modify it in some manner.

If you really want a scope get an AK, you can mount one on the side rail and it'll hold center.

If you've got $400-500 to spend you can get a nice AK and an SKS. Thats the way to go

Posted by: MikeT

Oh ya and just to make P happy we can have a 10 page debate on wether stocks should be elegant wood or cheap plastic.

Posted by: LS1JAY

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Originally Posted by MikeT


	Oh ya and just to make P happy we can have a 10 page debate on wether stocks should be elegant wood or cheap plastic.

What about graphite?

Posted by: Mr. P

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Originally Posted by MikeT


	Oh ya and just to make P happy we can have a 10 page debate on wether stocks should be elegant wood or cheap plastic.

Won't be much of a debate, as I dont' mind a nice plastic stock that looks better than the interior of a new Corvette. GM should hire someone from Norinco.

Mr. P

Posted by: MikeT

Plastic is good for a gun thats gonna get beat around, or used in a damp enviroment. But I like the classic looks of wood on my older rifles.

But carbon fiber is the way to go biiiiach.

Posted by: Tang

I like plastic stocks. The finish on the wood gets scratched quickly.

Posted by: Tang

I got to shoot an FAL today. For a .308 that thing has NO recoil at all ! Very sweet gun.

Posted by: MikeT

Yup, the FAL is an excellent design. I guess thats why it was so popular with so many countries.

Posted by: Adrenalin

Well since you guys know so much about guns, I use to have a S&W Sigma .40 cal that I liked but it would be prone to hanging up. Maybe that was the ammo I was using I dunno. Anyway I like a semi-auto (if that is what you call it) over a revolver. That reason is completely uneducated, but from a looks and feel perspective. I bought it new from Sports Authority and did no shopping around and may have been able to get a better one or better price but the salesman was comparing it to a Glock and my untrained eye didn't see much difference at all other then weight.

I don't know much compared to some of you about handguns but I sold that Sigma some time ago and have often thought of getting another handgun.

I wouldn't be looking for a revolver and would like it to be around .40 cal and lastly something relyable as well as durable and not break the bank. I would use it for vehicle and home safety as well as going out to practice with some friends.

What would you guys recomend?

Posted by: MikeT

I dunno much aboot handguns. Not my thing. I do have a sigma in .40 and its a POS. I really need to trade it in towards an AK or something.

I can't reccomend you an auto, as I'm a wheelgun type o guy.

Posted by: Adrenalin

Well alotta help you are!!!!!!

Posted by: Tang

The early Sigmas were junk. The later models are good now. Check on trading it in on a newer one if you really like that gun. I'd say trade it for a Springfield XD . Those guns are getting nothing but good reviews. Someone mentioned the pins rusting, but I havent found anything about that yet.

I dont like the 1911's at all. Dont like the feel or the look, but they are a popular choice for a lot of people.

Posted by: Adrenalin

Well I like this one, but again, don't know much about them as far as weight etc.

I think I would have to choose this one strictly from a looks perspective tho.

You guys know how much each one weighs?

Not a purchase that I'll be doing anytime soon but just curious.

As far as the Sigma's go, I think the one I had was an earlier one. I'm not sure how long they have been out but I think it was about 8 years ago when I bought it. I liked the looks and feel but it would hang up occasionally and I couldn't stand it.

Posted by: Tang

The Springfield XD in .40 weighs 22.8 oz. It is essentially a Glock and a Springfield 1911 combined. That was the whole idea, they mixed the best of both worlds. I have read a couple reviews about them in a couple different mags, they give them great reviews. You can get them in the $425-$450 range with standard sights.

Any handgun has the possibility of jamming when they're new. You should always break in a handgun by shooting about 200 rounds of the heaviest grain ammo you can get for it. When the springs are new, naturally they are gonna "snap" closed faster. When shooting a light load, which doesnt throw the slide back as hard, sometimes causes them to close on an ejecting shell . So by shooting you the heavys first, you kind of stress the spring, which tames it down.

I got this advice off Walther's website, and it makes sense

Posted by: Mr. P

Im going to have to go with Evil on the semiauto recommendation, the 1911, they're super reliable, absolutely NO QUESTION about their knockdown power, and they're also quite accurate. They're also a classic design that's withstood the test of time. The Browning High Power .9mm is a smaller, lighter, gentler, kinder, and more sensitive version (ROTFLMAO) of the 1911, and they're quite reliable with a proven military and special service record. Funny, they were both designed by the same guy.

However, for the use noted, I'd probably stick with a .357 Colt King Cobra revolver. You can pick it up and shoot instantly, while the other guy may be fumbling with the auto mechanism, cocking, releasing the safety, and you might be able to score two hits while he gets his fancy gun working. It's happened hundreds and probably thousands of times.

The .357 also has a knockdown record that is probably second to none, as far as documented one shot kills. Not a toy, that's for sure, and when you shoot one, use ear protection and do NOT hold your hand over the cylinder or be prepared to bleed. There is such a hot blast where the bullet jumps from the cylinder to the barrel, that it can blow out a chunk of skin off your fingers...... The semi auto can also take out a chunk of skin, if you hold your hands where the hammer can smack down on them.... The voice of experience.

Mr. P

Posted by: Tang

I have a cousin with two 1911's, and both have had jamming problems. One is a Springfield the other is a Charles Daily. So they too, are not immune from problems.

Posted by: Tang

Same with my Ruger. I've heard some peopel complain about them, but I've never had a problem and I have run 500+ rounds through it.

Now the same person with the 1911's had a Glock 17 a few years ago that would jam about every 3rd shot. Now he has a 23 that shoots great. I guess there is always a bad apple in every bunch.

Posted by: Mr. P

always target with the ammo you intend to carry, at least a box at a time. having a jammed auto is about as effective as having a good looking rock in your hand at a gun fight.

Mr. P

Posted by: Adrenalin

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	having a jammed auto is about as effective as having a good looking rock in your hand at a gun fight.

.....classic!

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