Unfortunately, I think that falls under the "sad but true" catagoty. If Kerry gets in office I think we'll only postpone the inevitable and give our enemies time to "catch up".
Posted by: Mr. P
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Originally Posted by 3SuperSports
Unfortunately, I think that falls under the "sad but true" catagoty. If Kerry gets in office I think we'll only postpone the inevitable and give our enemies time to "catch up".
Yup, just like what France and the UN did to us in Iraq, and yes, don't forget Turkey, who would not let us come in across their land, which ended up costing us millions of dollars and probably some lives too.
Posted by: Mr. P
U.S. Marines Seize Center of Najaf, Fighting Rages
If Herman... Er, I mean Kerry, were to get in (which he won't) we will be screwed!
Posted by: Mr. P
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Originally Posted by LS1JAY
If Herman... Er, I mean Kerry, were to get in (which he won't) we will be screwed!
I don't think you, I, or the rest of the world know just how bad we're ALL gonna get screwed if that happens, including the people who vote for his hair.
Mr. P
Posted by: LS1JAY
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Originally Posted by Mr. P
I don't think you, I, or the rest of the world know just how bad we're ALL gonna get screwed if that happens, including the people who vote for his hair.
Mr. P
I'm afraid I do know! That's why I can't stand the guy!
Posted by: IMSA
Yeah, right.
IMSA
Posted by: LS1JAY
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Originally Posted by IMSA
Yeah, right.
IMSA
Read the sig....
Posted by: IMSA
Just saw the Republican hero John O'Neill on Hardball and Crossfire being taken apart piece by piece. Looks like that whole farce is now over with. O'Neill looked like someone kicked in the nuts after Carville finished exposing his house of cards
IMSA
Posted by: Mr. P
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Originally Posted by IMSA
Just saw the Republican hero John O'Neill on Hardball and Crossfire being taken apart piece by piece. Looks like that whole farce is now over with. O'Neill looked like someone kicked in the nuts after Carville finished exposing his house of cards
IMSA
John O'Neil ??? Carville??? Hardball?????????????
Bwaaaaaahahahahahahahahaaa
That's a circus act. No, that's a carnival act. May as well be Jerry Springer.
Mr. P
Posted by: IMSA
Trust me, it should have been on Springer but it was more brutal. O'Neil got his ass kicked but good.
IMSA
Posted by: Mr. P
well it sounds like you enjoyed the entertainment, but hey, admit it, didn't you feel a little "unclean" being on the same side with Carville?? Come on, tell the truth.
Mr. P
Posted by: TNT
Well I missed the Carville sideshow, but I'm watching now. O'Neill is mopping the floor with Hurley, from veterans for Skerry.
Hurley doesn't appear to have done any research on Skerry's detractors. He just tried to accuse the second-in-command of the Judge Advocate General of being a liar. That's not a smart move.
Posted by: IMSA
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Originally Posted by TNT
Well I missed the Carville sideshow, but I'm watching now. O'Neill is mopping the floor with Hurley, from veterans for Skerry.
Hurley doesn't appear to have done any research on Skerry's detractors. He just tried to accuse the second-in-command of the Judge Advocate General of being a liar. That's not a smart move.
That scum O'Neil got his ass handed to him by Mathew's.
IMSA
Posted by: TNT
That lieberal scum matthews was so scared of the truth that he wouldn't let O'Neill talk. He interrupted and talked over O'Neill. He refused to allow O'Neill to answer any questions, then repeated the Skerry lies as if that makes them true.
Face it. The Rear-Admiral who is currently second in command of JAG is calling Skerry a liar. Not based on stories, but because he was THERE! He was on the boat as a young officer when Skerry received the bullshit wound he later used to get his first Purple Heart. The Purple Heart that Skerry's CO REFUSED to issue him! Skerry had to resubmit the request 3 months later after his CO rotated back to the US. So an EYEWITNESS of UNIMPEACHABLE character is calling Skerry a liar.
Case closed.
Posted by: IMSA
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Originally Posted by TNT
That lieberal scum matthews was so scared of the truth that he wouldn't let O'Neill talk. He interrupted and talked over O'Neill. He refused to allow O'Neill to answer any questions, then repeated the Skerry lies as if that makes them true.
Face it. The Rear-Admiral who is currently second in command of JAG is calling Skerry a liar. Not based on stories, but because he was THERE! He was on the boat as a young officer when Skerry received the bullshit wound he later used to get his first Purple Heart. The Purple Heart that Skerry's CO REFUSED to issue him! Skerry had to resubmit the request 3 months later after his CO rotated back to the US. So an EYEWITNESS of UNIMPEACHABLE character is calling Skerry a liar.
Case closed.
Come on, you're killing me TNT! Really, you are. O'Liely makes Mathews look like a church mouse. That POS Republican hit man O'Neil was exposed for what he was, a lying POS. Should have known better since he started as one of the Nixon Youth.
IMSA
Posted by: TNT
matthews learned how to lie from one of the masters, his old boss Tip fucking O'Neill. the only thing he exposed is what an ignorant lieberal sack of SHIT he is!
Can you even post without lying? O'Neill of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was already an officer in Vietnam when Nixon was elected. He was commander of one of the other Swift boats at the same base as Skerry. How the FUCK would he be part of some youth program during the Nixon administration?
Posted by: IMSA
TNT says
Can you even post without lying? O'Neill of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was already an officer in Vietnam when Nixon was elected. He was commander of one of the other Swift boats at the same base as Skerry. How the FUCK would he be part of some youth program during the Nixon administration?
Here you go TNT
Item #1
Kerry and O'Neil never met in Nam. Here's the transcripy from Crossfire where O'Neil admits as such.
O'NEILL: I'm the guy that took over John Kerry's boat in Vietnam, PCF94. There are 60 people of the people that were in our unit who contributed to this deal, including most of the officers who served with John Kerry no further away than that camera is from me right now. I met and debated John Kerry in 1971. I didn't wait for 35 years.
CARVILLE: Did you wait -- did you meet him in Vietnam?
O'NEILL: No.
CARVILLE: You mean you never met him in Vietnam?
O'NEILL: No.
#2
That would be O'Neil sitting on the left. And who's that? Why it's Nixon! How about that TNT!
The White House encouraged O’Neill to challenge Kerry to a debate. Kerry agreed and before the event, President Nixon called O’Neill into the Oval Office for a pep talk. “It’s a great service to the country,” declared the president.
Nixon: Give it to him, give it to him. And you can do it, because you have a pleasant manner, too, because you’ve got — and I think it’s a great service to the country.
Nixon: You fellows have been out there. You’ve got to know, seeing the barbarians that we’re up against, you’ve got to know what we’re doing in that horrible swamp that North Vietnam is. You’ve got to know from all our faults of what we have in this country that, that what we’re doing is right. You’ve got to know too, people are critics. Critics of the war, critics of , run America down. You’ve gotta know that you’re on the winning s—that, that you’re on the right side.
Two weeks later, the veterans squared off on the popular Dick Cavett show."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/4/21/172634/848
"In a series of memos, Nixon aide Colson, who later went to prison for his role in the Watergate scandal, referred to the administration's efforts to promote O'Neill and to challenge Kerry to debate him.
On June 15, 1971, Colson noted that Kerry first turned down a debate offer with O'Neill and that he was "beginning to take a tremendous beating in the press."
"Let's destroy this young demagogue before he becomes another Ralph Nader," Colson wrote about Kerry."
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/37877544.html
"O'Neill's ties to the Republican Party extend far beyond party affiliation. During the CNN interview, Blitzer reported that former President Richard Nixon had urged O'Neill to publicly counter Kerry on The Dick Cavett Show, but there is more to the story. O'Neill was a creation of the Nixon administration, as Joe Klein detailed in the January 5 issue of The New Yorker. Former Nixon special counsel Chuck Colson told Klein that Kerry was an "articulate" and "credible leader" of those veterans calling for an end to the Vietnam War and therefore "an immediate target of the Nixon Administration." As such, the Nixon administration found it necessary to "create a counterfoil" to Kerry. Colson recounted, "We found a vet named John O'Neill and formed a group called Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace. We had O'Neill meet the President, and we did everything we could do to
boost his group."
Articles from the April 21 Houston Chronicle and the June 17, 2003, Boston Globe confirm close ties between O'Neill and the Nixon administration.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4534613 /
June 16, 1971: Oval Office meeting with John O’Neill
Nixon: I really feel that what you’re doing, you’ll take brickbats, you go on some of these TV shows like the Cavett thing, you’re gonna get banged, but – you’ll get terribly discouraged and say the whole country’s – and so forth. But I think ya gotta remember, uh, you have to remember, that uh, that uh, now {unintelligible] in Vietnam should be enough, that now you would have the to get back and reassure people that those few that come back – like Kerry and the rest – don’t speak for all.
Spin It TNT, I can hardly wait.
IMSA
Posted by: TNT
So 2 of your sources are OPINION pieces by leftwing NUTJOBS, no facts there. The MSNBC one only shows one thing. That O'Neill's story has stayed the same since 'nam, unlike Skerry's.
So is the second highest ranking officer in JAG a liar?
Posted by: IMSA
TNT
#1 He was commander of one of the other Swift boats at the same base as Skerry.
Yes and no. Same base, same boat, AFTER Kerry and NEVER MET Kerry in Nam.
2. That is O'Neil with Nixon. The dialog is from Nixon tapes.
Case Closed
By the way, hows the hand healing?
IMSA
Posted by: TNT
The nixon tapes were from the MSNBC link, not the two opinion pieces.
you forgot something about O'Neill. Same crew too. Want to bet he heard what they really thought of their former commander?
Is the Rear-Admiral who is second in command of JAG a liar?
He was present during the incident Skerry received his first purple heart for. He says Skerry's story is a total lie and the medal was not earned.
Posted by: Mr. P
and the moral of the story is
"turnabout is fair play"
The DNC has their panties in a wad over this. Kerry was caught "stretching the truth" (at best) on several details, which brings other details under question.
I would think that some of those guys who are saying Kerry is unfit, are honorable guys, don't you think? Certainly with better character than Carville.
All this bullshit that surfaced about GWB's service in the military, being dumb, but yet somehow smart enough to fly a supersonic fuel tank with a big jet motor strapped on it, was dug up "after" the guy was elected president. Now who did that, and why? I'll give you two guesses.
Now that the Democrats are getting a dose of their own medicine, they're whining about it en masse, including their lapdogs in the media (especially the Hardball and CNN lapdogs).
It's a sideshow. If a bunch of Vietnam Vets want to make a claim, put their names on it, and state their own opinion, they have more than every right to do so. They have more of a right than Ms. Heinz does, in my humble opinion, as she's a diamond draped newbie "with an opinion" and they gave a big part of their lives, their blood in some cases, and all she did was snatch the microphone and start talking.
Turnabout is fair play. If they can't take the heat, I suggest they take the high road. When you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty.
Mr. P
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Posted by: 99FRC
Dude you rock. Someone that does not have their head in the sand hoping that everything goes away. ...
Posted by: Mr. P
THU AUG 12, 2004 21:01:21 ET XXXXX
JANUARY -- NOT CHRISTMAS -- KERRY IN CAMBODIA
**Exclusive**
TOUR OF DUTY author and John Kerry historian Doug Brinkley is rushing a piece for the NEW YORKER: to set-the-record-straight on Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia tale.
Kerry has turned to author Brinkley for a "modification" after it was exposed that Kerry was not in Cambodia during Christmas of 1968, as he once claimed from the Senate floor.
The Brinkley piece for the NEW YORKER will now say that Kerry was not in Cambodia during Christmas, but rather in January, publishing sources tell DRUDGE.
MORE
Since the early 1970s, Kerry has spoken and written of how he was illegally ordered to enter Cambodia. Kerry mentioned it in the floor of the Senate in 1986 when he charged that President Reagan’s actions in Central America were leading the U.S. in another Vietnam. Here’s what he said as excerpted from the new book, UNFIT FOR COMMAND:
"I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared--seared--in me."
John O’Neil’s, author of UNFIT FOR COMMAND, comments on the “clarification:”
“John Kerry describes Christmas Eve in Cambodia as a critical turning point in his life. We now know that his story is completely false. My question is how many people do you know have invented a turning point, one that is seared in his memory? While it makes sense for John Kerry to come clean about the Cambodia story, it is one of several tales that the Kerry campaign will have to face and clarify.”
“By claiming we were engaged in a war crime and crossing international borders, John Kerry damaged the credibility of all the commanding officers above him and insulted the sailors who served with him,” said John O’Neill, member of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.”
Chris Matthews apparently didn't mention this on his show
The problem with lies, just like Scott Peterson is facing, that when you're caught with em, then everything else you say is suspect.
My motto has always been "play a clean game, and everything will work out in the end". Naturally, I'd be dead meat in a political arena with that motto.
Mr. P
Posted by: IMSA
Spin away ladies. The fact is O'Neill was exposed for what he is not once, but twice yesterday. A lying, vendictive, POS.
IMSA
Posted by: Mr. P
Okay, how's this?
Kerry is appearing like a pathological liar, just like Scott Peterson. He said he committed atrocities in Viet Nam, in front of Congress, when it suited his need for attention. Now he’s wanting to rephrase that for a different need, because it suits him now (and it’s called getting in office). Too bad though, because he’s on tape. Funny how the “record” speaks for itself.
How about the fact that he was “filming himself” for obvious use later on, I’ll bet thaaaat really made him a popular blue-blood pretty-boy hit with the rest of the servicemen he served with, who were out there slugging it in the jungles.. No wonder all of them except one guy, says he’s unfit. I saved a life one evening, I almost forgot about it. I sure don’t go around telling everyone about it, and you know, the guy I saved may not even know it, as he was unconscious at the time (drowning at night in freezing water). Some people just don’t constantly have a need to talk about stuff like that, it’s called character in my book. I never told anyone about it later except my wife. Yes, there were a bunch of people standing around who saw it, maybe they told someone.
How about claiming he didn’t have a SUV, and then when pressed later, said it belonged to his family. People are going to think he’s talking out of both sides of his mouth. That’s no big deal, but when a politician will literally say anything to suit the moment, people are going to eventually take note.
How about the fact that he said Bush was a poor leader because he didn’t jump up and run off when advised the WTC was hit, before anyone really knew what was happening, what a back-stabbing comment that was (he knows full and well that a team was already all over it, and Bush made a hasty departure). Why is he stabbing someone in the back to get a favorable light on himself? Well…..because that’s who the man is. It’s all about HIM in his life.
What about the latest revelation, when he said he’d “wage a more sensitive war”, ha ha ha. After being hammered by our boy Cheney, who can handle a much bigger hammer than Goodhair can by the way, now he’s backpedaling faster than a NFL Quarterback, but that single comment may come back to haunt him bigtime.
So what if Oneill is vindictive. So what if he’s pissed. From some perspectives, he has every right to be vindictive. I figure I would feel the same way, if I were out there slugging it in the jungle, and some pretty-boy was discovered filming himself recreating battles, running around for the camera as though it was real action, and actively seeking a medal for it. Do you know how many men did brave things and never got a medal simply because THEY DIDN’T ASK FOR ONE????? Probably many thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, because it’s the real American way.
And, what about the fact that he ran into a village and torched it with his Zippo lighter, after he ordered it to be totally shot up, chickens and pigs too, for no reason? What good did that do the United States of America, and what good did it do anyone for him to tell Congress, and infer that his buddies also “committed atrocities”? War is hell, and it’s about time he puts his own vanity aside and recognizes GWB is fighting for “our” lives right now in a war. Too bad Kerry is fighting right along side the enemy, on the side of the surrender monkeys in France, and stooping to a level so low I can’t hardly believe. I don’t think Kerry wants to win the war as much as he wants to win the oval office. If he gets in the oval office and the war is still on, it would suit him just fine. I call him “unfit” to be the Commander in Chief.
Who do you think France would like to see in office? Kerry, of course. Who would you think Iran and NK would like to see? Kerry of course. And by the way, getting a journalist “hammered’ on Hardball, isn’t going to change well documented history. Being taped on film, and having a voting record in theUnited States Senate has a way of speaking very well for itself, and there’s no need for Mr. Kerry to try to re-write it.
“I actually voted for the bill, before I voted against it”.
With all this baggage, if he can’t take the heat of a national election, and constantly gives out cheap shots, then he’s going to have to get used to getting similar treatment back, or he can just stay on the porch and have a hotdog with his billionaire wife. If he wants to look like an honorable American, he can stop slinging the shit, and trying to stab his opponent in the back, and start talking about his own frigging message, whatever the hell that is.
And one last thing, Chris Matthews is an exposed biased puss.
Mr. P
Posted by: IMSA
Sounds like Republicans are getting pretty nervous about the election. As it stands, there's a better than 50/50 chance Bush is going to be a 1 term president, but I guess that runs in the family doesn't it. So keep on cherry picking sound bites and print media articals and keep spinning the facts, it gets more entertaing every day.
IMSA
Posted by: Mr. P
hey, you said you enjoy this stuff ??
Posted by: IMSA
Why not? I'm not going to change your views and you're not going to change mine. And the way I look at it, what's said in The Pit stays in The Pit. I hold no grudges no matter how much I disagree with someone's point of view. Hell, I'm even concerned about TNT's hand! It's a good way to keep busy until something really important comes up like college football season.
Go Beavers!
IMSA
Posted by: Mr. P
There you go, good points. By all means, we can vent, rant, and taunt here on the forum, but we must always remember it's supposed to be all in good fun.
As far as football is concerned, better get ready to eat crow, because we're going to hold you down and force feed it to you, heh heh. Hope you like the way we fix it.
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