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May buy a Video system (games) which one?

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Posted by: 99FRC

Have not shopped for this item in the last 10 years. Which system to get, any one better than the other? Looking the PS2, Xbox, etc...


Posted by: Slow Nova

PS2 is good because you can play the old PS games. Gamecube is good for Family-Friendly games. I don't know a whole lot about X-Box, but I've heard that it's got great graphics, and a huge selection of games.

I don't think you can go wrong with either the PS2 or the X-Box.

Why not wait for the PS3?


Posted by: 99FRC

Its all Greek to me right now. Is the PS3 coming out for the holiday season?


Posted by: RemyLeBeau

PS2's are built for normal people, while XBoxes are like a sham (Although with a better graphics card, I must admit) and GameCubes are really dropping out. NOBODY has gamecubes anymore.

Personally I think the PS2 is better than anything else out there (There are those who would say otherwise... :boids

PS2: Friendly interface, plays DVDs, controller is supereasy to use, good inbetween games for kids and adults

XBox: Interface can get confusticating, plays DVDs, controller feels awkward and buttons are randomly placed, extreme graphic games, major blood/gore, but hey - that's what makes a game great!

GameCube: Who knows?


Just one last thing to say: for PS2 or XBox, get StarWars: Battlefront! I thought Star Wars was the dumbest stuff out there, but this game is NOTHING like the movies!!! If you like Halo1-2, you will worship Battlefront!


EDIT

The PS3 will come out in 2005, but I would personally get the PSP (Gameboy Advance-like but sleeker) or the Nintendo DS (TWO 3" screens, wireless gamesharing, microphone ports, everything.)


Posted by: Greyone

Get an X-box.. So you can play Halo 2


Posted by: No Rice Allowed

PC Games.....all the way, if you computer video card and memory is up to par....They can be much cheaper than PS2 or Xbox games....besides you can get emulators for the Xbox or PS2 and play those games right on the computer...


Posted by: MikeT

While thats true NRA, plus alot of online only games have free trials. The cost of a decent gaming PC is about $1,000+ over the cost of a console system. Plus you need to upgrade every year or so to keep up. Hell, a mid grade video card costs more than a console system.

If you play ALOT of games the PC is a little better choice. Although consoles are are catching up in the online dept. However, if you just play a few games its a hell of alot cheaper to go x-box or ps2.

But coming from a guy who hasn't owned a console since the atari 2600 take it for what its worth.


Posted by: No Rice Allowed

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Originally Posted by MikeT
While thats true NRA, plus alot of online only games have free trials. The cost of a decent gaming PC is about $1,000+ over the cost of a console system. Plus you need to upgrade every year or so to keep up. Hell, a mid grade video card costs more than a console system.

If you play ALOT of games the PC is a little better choice. Although consoles are are catching up in the online dept. However, if you just play a few games its a hell of alot cheaper to go x-box or ps2.

But coming from a guy who hasn't owned a console since the atari 2600 take it for what its worth.




One thing you must look at, the computer is way more versatile than any gaming console.....You'll get your money's worth and if you build your own computer, you'll save quite a bit over ones already built...Besides, you can play in the arcade here, can't do that on a gaming console....


Posted by: MikeT

While its true computers are more veratile, you only need a fast system for playing games. An old PII 400 will surf the web, play music and videos etc... just fine. These days if you don't play games you can buy a computer and use it till it dies and never have to upgrade.


Posted by: Tang

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Originally Posted by MikeT
While its true computers are more veratile, you only need a fast system for playing games. An old PII 400 will surf the web, play music and videos etc... just fine. These days if you don't play games you can buy a computer and use it till it dies and never have to upgrade.




My computer is a 2.4ghz P4, 512mb of ram, 64mb Geforce card, and it MIGHT barely suffice playing Doom 3 . I want the game, but there if my PC did play it, it wouldn't be a great experience.

I like PS2's and I also like my Gamecube. You can get a lot of racing games and such for the Cube, plus I am a long time fan of the Zelda series games. The Gamecube, by far has the most comfortable controller of all of them. The PS2 has better gore games, and the Xbox is a wanna-be PS2 with a gauky, awkward, oversized controller.


Posted by: RemyLeBeau

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Originally Posted by Tang
PS2 has better gore games, and the Xbox is a wanna-be PS2 with a gauky, awkward, oversized controller.



Finally, someone else who doesn't get wet dreams thinking about Halo!!!
(For those who do... :boids

Computers (I would know - my dad is STILL running a 3D modeling business out of our basement... very high-end equipment! ) are versatile, but in my experience, computers don't have what it takes for the best games.

1 - Keyboards and mice are not the best input devices. If you want to spend enough for a PS2-PC adapter, okay, but that's too much for me.
2 - In case anyone hasn't noticed, a game console is just a computer tailored specifically for gaming! Take the things apart (As I have done... guy genes) and there's a motherboard, tailored input for controllers, optical drive, and a graphics card the size of New Jersey. The ultimate gaming 'puter.
3 - Computer games aren't as popular in the Doom 3 / Halo / Battlefront area. Strategy games like AoC, WC3, etc. are fine, but if you want to play a 1st person shooter, you usually can't find what you want.

Finally though, take this with a grain of salt - computers are cheaper to use if you know what to do, and an XBox/PS2 can cost a lot more than a better graphics card!

You can't really say 'This is best no matter what' because everybody wants something different on a different budget. I'd say go for the computer upgrade if you have a PC and no console, but that's only if you want ONE game and have a good deal of free space on your HD left.

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Posted by: No Rice Allowed

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Originally Posted by RemyLeBeau
Finally, someone else who doesn't get wet dreams thinking about Halo!!!
(For those who do... :boids

Computers (I would know - my dad is STILL running a 3D modeling business out of our basement... very high-end equipment! ) are versatile, but in my experience, computers don't have what it takes for the best games.

1 - Keyboards and mice are not the best input devices. If you want to spend enough for a PS2-PC adapter, okay, but that's too much for me.
2 - In case anyone hasn't noticed, a game console is just a computer tailored specifically for gaming! Take the things apart (As I have done... guy genes) and there's a motherboard, tailored input for controllers, optical drive, and a graphics card the size of New Jersey. The ultimate gaming 'puter.
3 - Computer games aren't as popular in the Doom 3 / Halo / Battlefront area. Strategy games like AoC, WC3, etc. are fine, but if you want to play a 1st person shooter, you usually can't find what you want.



1)Keyboards and mice are the ultimate gaming controller when dealing with role playing games online....No way could you get the play ability through a regular hand held controller....to many options to overcome...

2)Computers packing 64 bits...is the answer.( like an athlon 64)..Yes more money, but way better graphics..It can dramatically improve more-demanding applications, resulting in smoother, faster video encoding.... better performance on complex programs like CAD..... and richer, more detailed games, while still maintaining your taxes....

3)Computers can run emulators...for those popular games...


Posted by: Slow Nova

And, you can buy fully programmable joysticks, that look just like PS2 controllers, that plug into your computer's USB port.


Posted by: RemyLeBeau

Yeah - RPG's and keyboards are the best together. I agree. But hey - would you rather fire with an actual trigger, or the spacebar? I see. Keyboards are clumsy because they have too many keys - try to type 'X' as fast as your reflexes will allow. See? PS2 controllers are contoured for this.

As for the USB controllers you can program, I say...
"Meh."
I don't like them that much, but that's because I'm cheap. If you wanna...

Graphics cards DO have some high-end cards better than a PS2 (Definitely XBox's) but hey - HOW much do these things cost? And a PS2 is $175 last I checked. Hmmm... (Don't get me wrong, they are better. Just more expensive too.)

And lastly, the emulators I've seen are:
1: ILLEGAL
2: Even more of a tax on your computer. (keep in mind that a binary machine is designed best for numbers and functions, not painting the monitor with gore. A computer that is also programmed to run Windows ME in the backround is gonna go a lot slower.)

Think about it like this: A PS2 has these circuits hardwired into it: Read CD, show graphics, read controller input, change graphics 16X per second. A computer, however, must do this: Read HD, open 'game' file, show graphics, read controller/keyboard input, send information to emulator, wait for it to process, change graphics 16X per second.

I know that computers can be made to work faster/better than a console, but it's more expensive, and makes as much sense as turning a VW Beetle into a nascar competitor - time-consuming, expensive, and there's something out there made just for it already!

I dunno. To me, the computer version of a first-person shooter is just.. well...



Posted by: No Rice Allowed

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Originally Posted by RemyLeBeau
Yeah - RPG's and keyboards are the best together. I agree. But hey - would you rather fire with an actual trigger, or the spacebar? I see. Keyboards are clumsy because they have too many keys - try to type 'X' as fast as your reflexes will allow. See? PS2 controllers are contoured for this.

As for the USB controllers you can program, I say...
"Meh."
I don't like them that much, but that's because I'm cheap. If you wanna...

Graphics cards DO have some high-end cards better than a PS2 (Definitely XBox's) but hey - HOW much do these things cost? And a PS2 is $175 last I checked. Hmmm... (Don't get me wrong, they are better. Just more expensive too.)

And lastly, the emulators I've seen are:
1: ILLEGAL
2: Even more of a tax on your computer. (keep in mind that a binary machine is designed best for numbers and functions, not painting the monitor with gore. A computer that is also programmed to run Windows ME in the backround is gonna go a lot slower.)

Think about it like this: A PS2 has these circuits hardwired into it: Read CD, show graphics, read controller input, change graphics 16X per second. A computer, however, must do this: Read HD, open 'game' file, show graphics, read controller/keyboard input, send information to emulator, wait for it to process, change graphics 16X per second.

I know that computers can be made to work faster/better than a console, but it's more expensive, and makes as much sense as turning a VW Beetle into a nascar competitor - time-consuming, expensive, and there's something out there made just for it already!

I dunno. To me, the computer version of a first-person shooter is just.. well...




Emulators aren't illegal, it's the roms (downloading), but if you plan on buying an Xbox game or PS2 to use with the emulator, it's perfectly legal......As for firing...again you can get a controller much better than a PS2 or Xbox for a PC that'll do the trick.....You look at the big picture, do you want a nice PC that can do just about everything..or a slow pos and 5 game consoles cluttering up the place? Remember they get outdated as well....Most people who are into gaming, want a nice PC....So, why not combine the two?


Posted by: RemyLeBeau

Like I said, it's all just a matter of opinion.

Of course, so is the football team you root for...

Remember the good old days?


Posted by: No Rice Allowed

Quote:
Originally Posted by RemyLeBeau
Like I said, it's all just a matter of opinion.

Of course, so is the football team you root for...

Remember the good old days?



That is true, it's all an opinion.....But let me hit the horse one more time to see if it is really dead....


Posted by: Tang

Computers, are by far the best gaming machines, if you want to spend the cash to make them run the latest games. For example, I have Ghost Recon for my PC and I played it for the PS2. The PS2 version is less graphic, and slower. They will always limit the games back to run smoothly on the console they are designing it for. The PC versions always have better graphics, and more options. Not to mention, fully hackable. I had guns on Ghost Recon with perfect aiming, 10x zooming and 9999 rounds of ammo. I love PC games. But as I mentioned before, my computer just want support Doom 3 right now, and thats a game I was really wanting. So its UPGRADE time, yay !


Posted by: Starquest aka AndyR

I have two opinions that you all get to hear:

First I like the xbox for a gaming console. Its more complicated with its controllers and interface, and thats good for me, because that means more options... there is a reason that all gaming consoles graduated from the two button controllers of the original nintendo... up,down,up,down,b,a,b,a,start... hehe. ten points to anyone that remembers that code and the game it went to.

secondly: A PC is much better for one simple reason. PATCHES! almost all games released now have bugs. some are small, and some are big. but even more important to me than bugs, and the updates... things like custom levels, or content upgrades like a new area in an RPG game. You cannot "update" a game on a console...


Posted by: MikeT

dunno what game that was from but do you remeber this one?
u, u, d, d, l, r, l, r, b, a, start.

Considering I never even owned a nintento thats pretty sad I remeber that.


Posted by: Tang

Mike T, was that the code for Contra to get extra lives ?


Posted by: MikeT

Yup!


Posted by: 99FRC

Sorry Dude's and Dudette's but a PC based game is out. I do not have a PC or plan on getting one. I get enough of the computer stuff at work, so I am limited to console type games. Good info on the PC's though.


Posted by: RemyLeBeau

That's sad. Just sad.

(Up Down Left Right B Start) Twin Cobra mega guns (Sega Genesis)
(UP Down Left Right A Start) Twin Cobra infinite bombs

Yep, I'm sad too.

PC's are the best at gaming IF you want to spend the money (And time) to upgrade every time a new game comes out. (Not to mention the risk that first also may to put greatest tab A very fine and through the around slotting isn't enough installation instructions...) I would much rather just play a low-maintenance console that doesn't need to be upgraded to play the next game. (Sure you can switch consoles, but that doesn't count.)

Besides, a PS2 is good enough for me. Ten years from now we'll be debating over the XUltimate and the PN4 consoles... while I'll have been a cheap bastard and saved some four digits of $$$, plugging away on a PS2...




Posted by: No Rice Allowed

Quote:
Originally Posted by RemyLeBeau
That's sad. Just sad.

(Up Down Left Right B Start) Twin Cobra mega guns (Sega Genesis)
(UP Down Left Right A Start) Twin Cobra infinite bombs

Yep, I'm sad too.

PC's are the best at gaming IF you want to spend the money (And time) to upgrade every time a new game comes out. (Not to mention the risk that first also may to put greatest tab A very fine and through the around slotting isn't enough installation instructions...) I would much rather just play a low-maintenance console that doesn't need to be upgraded to play the next game. (Sure you can switch consoles, but that doesn't count.)

Besides, a PS2 is good enough for me. Ten years from now we'll be debating over the XUltimate and the PN4 consoles... while I'll have been a cheap bastard and saved some four digits of $$$, plugging away on a PS2...




Don't forget, PC games now will be just as cheap or cheaper than PS2 games in the future...You can wait on price drops just the same with a PC....If anyone can afford shelling out 40 to 50 bucks a pop for new PS2 games to come out, they can save their money and buy a real gaming system...Could you actually make money from a game console? I know you can with a PC.....So talk about savings is out the door, depending on how well you apply a PC....See, with a PC you can make it an investment or just use it for entertainment......


Posted by: GMR

Quote:
Originally Posted by 99FRC
Sorry Dude's and Dudette's but a PC based game is out. I do not have a PC or plan on getting one. I get enough of the computer stuff at work, so I am limited to console type games. Good info on the PC's though.




The thing I would do is to go out and look through al the game titles available to each console. Then grab the one that has more of the types of games youd be more likely to play. Seems like a logical thing to do. Both the Xbox and PS2 have their ups and downs. IE: Xbox has a better graphics capabilities, PS2 has better controller/interface but things of that nature are subjective. You can get Playstation style controlers for the Xbox if thats your beef. Both have online capabilities. GT4 is due out for the PS2 early in Jan. Thats a plus.

LS


Posted by: MikeT

Quote:
Originally Posted by No Rice Allowed
Could you actually make money from a game console? I know you can with a PC.....



ya you could play everquest for 18 hours a day every day and sell all the loot on e-bay.


Posted by: RemyLeBeau

hmmm, just barely enough to feed yourself.

what kind of people would actually do that?


Posted by: MikeT

I dunno, but I remeber a guy from asherons call making thousands with a bot that he used to buy up housing when it came available.

I think he still runs it. The beuatiful thing is it runs all by itself. Basically free money.


Posted by: RemyLeBeau

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeT
I dunno, but I remeber a guy from asherons call making thousands with a bot that he used to buy up housing when it came available.

I think he still runs it. The beuatiful thing is it runs all by itself. Basically free money.



Heh, but how long did it take? They're easy to make, buy when price is = or less than ___, sell when price is = or less than ___.

But you still need money to put in, and it's pretty slow going. Same thing with stocks.

Still pretty handy things though.


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